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Whitewavemark2 Quote [Lord Kerr says Johnson’s negotiators are asking for all environmental, social and health and safety standards to be removed from May’s Deal.[ End Quote.

Whitewavemark2, I wonder how many more Grenfell Tower disasters the Tories and their supporters wish to see before they are satisfied?

I would say unbelievable, but I'm afraid it has been obvious that this is exactly what they wanted. Even more evidence that many of those who voted to leave will be the one who eventually suffer.

Oh Grandad1943 Whitewavemark2, I wonder how many more Grenfell Tower disasters the Tories and their supporters wish to see before they are satisfied?

And you accused me upthread of a disgusting post!

Your comment takes the biscuit.

I have to agree with Urmstongran that your comment Grandad1943 is disgusting. I don't support the Tories or their plans, but to suggest they and their supporters want more Grenfell Tower disasters is truly vile. I'd have expected better of you.

I disagree with the phrase "wish to see" but would certainly substitute "are prepared to see" or even "allow to happen".
Cost-cutting and greed by ignoring high safety standards and opting for the cheapest method.

I just don't think they think things through. Leavers seem to assume that everything will stay the same...

I can think of many more things in life more vile than that comment.

Nobody's suggesting that the government wants more incidents like Grenfell Tower, but by removing health and safety standards, they are enabling them.

Why would the Conservatives want to remove environmental, social and health and safety standards, unless they have scant regard for the lives of the people?

grandad I’m afraid your comment concerning Grenfell, is exactly what those ex-Grenfell residents argued happened.

Lack of regulation caused a human catastrophe. You see incidences all over the world especially in countries that have low or no regulation.

Lowering regulatory standards in the UK for profit, will of course end in the same result. How can it be otherwise?

I am glad those shouting “disgusting” are not in the position to decide these things, our future would be indeed blighted.

Reducing health and safety and other regulatory measures is bound to increase the risk of tragedies such as Grenfell. I can't imagine why it is thought "disgusting" to point this out. It is not being suggested that this government is responsible for Grenfell but if it pushes for a reduction in regulatory safety measures it demonstrates quite clearly its prioritisation of the demands of commercial interests over the future health and safety of the general population.

Having a regulatory structure is not in itself enough. That structure has to be fit for purpose and it has to be not just something put down on paper but something applied. All governments should ensure whatever health and safety measures are on statute are actually put into practice and properly monitored.

eleothan

Indeed

I do not agree with lowering of safety standards but grandad's comment said ^I wonder how many more Grenfell Tower disasters the Tories and their supporters wish to see before they are satisfied which definitely suggests they actively want such events. Of course lowering of safety standards is wrong, and would increase the chances of further disasters, and that should be voiced loud and clear, that is not disgusting. Saying there are people who actually want them is. Do you really believe their supporters want disasters?

sorry, the italics part to show the quote went wrong, but I think it's still clear.

Not the general public supporters janipat

But frankly the billionaire supports like Odey worry more about profit than safety or the environment.

whitewavemark2 As I said, I don't support the Tories, but as only 2 people have said grandad's comment was disgusting it was upsetting to be implicated in your comment I am glad those shouting “disgusting” are not in the position to decide these things, our future would be indeed blighted. I'd never compromise on safety standards, but agree there are those who will always put profit first and just hope for no repercussions .

David Cameron during the 2014 General Election campaign stated he wished to see ALL industrial safety regulations withdrawn in favour of self-regulation by companies.

That policy had started to take effect at the time of the Grenfell Tower disaster and from what little has come out of the enquiry so far very much contributed to it.

Now once again we have the Tory Party voicing deregulation in industrial safety. So, i state again, how many Grenfell Tower disaster do the Tories and their supporters wish to see before they are satisfied or convinced of the need for such regulations?

And I make no apology in stating that having worked in industrial safety for over thirty-five years and all to often seen the results of employers and employees not following the regulations as they are laid out at present.

I'm very much afraid that a man is known by the company he keeps. If you vote for the Tories then you are voting for people who have pushed children, in great numbers, to be brought up in poverty. The same people have reduced services, a known side effect of which has been deaths, people living in appalling circumstances and hard working families having to choose between food and warmth.

I know it seems harsh janipat but getting rid of safety standards puts people at risk and both voters and the current government know that. It is a choice. We all have to size up the good and the not so good when voting but if you vote for a party knowing they will extend poverty and cut safety then you are painted with the same brush. Voting for them means you either didn't know or didn't care and I think it is not unreasonable to call out Tory supporters for either of those positions.

Johnson has told Trump that the U.K. will join the US in military action against Iran.

Won’t Parliament demand some say in that?

Oh silly me I forgot.

Parliament can’t it is prorogued

MajorMajor

Nothing to see here. Just more evidence (were any needed) that this is the most corrupt UK government ever. Hardly surprising given that its members were formally of VoteLeave, who ran the most dishonest campaign in British electoral history!

Johnson still has questions to answer over the £126000 given to his “friend”. Jennifer Arcuri.

He has been photographed with her over a number of years.

The disgraced former foreign secretary Fox was disgrace for a similar misuse of public money.

Johnson is refusing to rule out a second prorogation should the Supreme Court go against him.

I wonder if the Queen will have something to say about that?

Leadsom on #r4today on the #Arcuri scandal: “The PM has said he’s acted with propriety and I’m happy with that.” The energy generated by her squirming could reduce our carbon debt significantly. Mishal Husain is hammering her.

Whitewavemark2, great post above.
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