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morethan2 Sat 14-Sept-19 17:35:07

Before I start I’ll nail my colours to a mast I voted remain. I’m not thrilled with the result but I accept it. I’m a little anxious about all the information of a no deal brexit and I expect most remainers are. I don’t want to start a bun fight but are those of you who voted out are you concerned about a no deal exit? I’m not asking for reassurance just if you feel very confident about the outcome of a no deal.

grammargran Tue 17-Sept-19 08:09:34

I really would like to comment on this sort of thread but why when they come to me, are they already 12 pages long? I really haven’t got the time to plough through previous comments, interesting though they are, and I don’t want to say what someone else has already pointed out. I open my emails first thing in the morning and check them last thing at night! Grrrrh!

moonlight Tue 17-Sept-19 07:39:59

has anyone of our so called MP's given a thought what the EU will do to us if we now do not leave we will surely be penalised much more than if we leave with no deal, i voted leave i still think we should leave and although i didnt think Boris was the person be the PM at least he is the only one showing the strenght to stand up to the EU and do as the people voted

growstuff Mon 16-Sept-19 21:00:24

It's not often that Leavers call other Leavers stupid. wink

Granless Mon 16-Sept-19 20:28:53

Point taken growstuff. I think you are being mischievous!
Brussels and corruption go together.

varian Mon 16-Sept-19 19:16:46

Are you talking about the same 17,4 million people (some of whom have now died and some of whom have sensibly changed their minds) out of a population of 67 million, who have been pandered to for the last three and a half years because they were foo;led by the brexit liars who promise them all sorts of cake-and-eat it wonderful deals, sunlit uplands, unicorns and other undeliverable fairytales?

The sensible folk in the UK have long since seen through this utter nonsense but we have still had to see our taxpayers money spent on it.

Enough is enough.

Stop brexit - revoke Article 50 and save our country before it is too late.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 16-Sept-19 19:06:23

Varian, just stating the obvious!

Totally fed up with having to explain my vote. A vote that I am entitled to use as I see fit, for which myself and 17.4 million others have been continually pilloried and insulted for the last 3yrs and 3months!!!

varian Mon 16-Sept-19 19:02:47

Are you defending that ridiculous question GG13?

You seem to be saying that folk who hadn't got a clue were asked a very difficult question.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 16-Sept-19 18:55:54

The ballot paper asked for a cross beside remain in the EU or leave the EU.

It did not ask the electorate for an essay on NI, Gibraltar or anything else that those who voted leave have been consistently asked for on GN.

growstuff Mon 16-Sept-19 18:48:43

How much tax have we lost thanks to HMRC's sweetheart deals and the UK's tax laws, which allow people to find numerous loopholes?

growstuff Mon 16-Sept-19 18:47:15

Granless How many British civil servants can you name and put a face to?

growstuff Mon 16-Sept-19 18:43:51

If you want civil servants and MPs to sort it out, you don't have any right to have a say in how the country is run. You shouldn't have been given a vote in a referendum in the first place.

"Taking back control" means assuming some responsibility.

Civil servants can achieve the impossible, which is what you are expecting them to do.

growstuff Mon 16-Sept-19 18:41:32

Why was it a "surrender document"? We're not at war! The EU isn't the enemy.

So what's your solution for Ireland, Gibraltar and citizens' rights? Or don't you care?

GillT57 Mon 16-Sept-19 18:16:36

Still waiting for the extensive list of Brexit advantages which is making some GN posters excited?

varian Mon 16-Sept-19 18:01:48

These folk are not to blame WW

It is the liars of the leave campaign who are to blame.

I'm not saying all these leave voters have been brainwashed - many have woken up to the truth, but others have just become entrenched in this "leaver" identity to the extent that they do put their fingers in their ears lest any truth should seep through.

Their comfort zone is the Daily Mail or Express or The Sun or Torygraph or the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation or any of the numerous poisonous websites they can access daily on the internet to reinforce their belief in unicorns.

winterwhite Mon 16-Sept-19 17:01:14

This constant harping on ‘the democratic will of the people’ as meaning just one thing is misplaced. Democracy doesn’t mean first-past-the-post in all circs no matter how narrow the margin. It means good government, and we haven’t been seeing much of that lately.

No deal would not put an end to uncertainty, and the TM deal is less advantageous than remaining.

And for every well-informed prudent Gnetter who understood just what they what they were voting for 3 years ago there must be 4-5 who were seduced by talk of immigrants taking their jobs and houses and have no financial leeway with which to ‘stockpile’. What about them??

nannynoonoo Mon 16-Sept-19 16:44:47

I too worry about medication I rely on which comes from Italy.

Granless Mon 16-Sept-19 16:40:01

For a start John Bercow is a disgrace, Parliament generally also. Leavers won with a majority - Remainers are trying at every twist and turn to overturn the democratic result and seem to be getting away with it - nothing to do with the backstop.
I don’t want to be governed by unelected, faceless bureaucrats.
I am on holiday in Jersey which is technically not a member of the EU but does have free trade with the EU, so ..... get on with it Boris, we’ll be fine.

petra Mon 16-Sept-19 16:01:43

€ 39,796,992 is divided between the 751 MEPS for 'general expenditure' without showing any invoices as to where this money is spent.

vintage1950 Mon 16-Sept-19 15:35:39

Regarding the millennium bug, see the link

bbc.co.uk/news/technology-45083650

for testimony from IT professionals who worked to avert this problem.
My husband is in IT and certainly believes that the millennium bug was a real threat.

petra Mon 16-Sept-19 15:28:35

The Lux Leaks ( Jean Claude Juncker)

Margaret Hodge asked:
how can we know he is working in the interest of Europe when, as PM of Luxembourg he has exploited populations in every European country and elsewhere for 20 years
How much tax have we lost thanks to Junckers sweetheart deals ?

GrannyGravy13 Mon 16-Sept-19 15:24:01

GGMK3 For me it is not stopping change, but stopping financing the corruption in Brussels.

Bridgeit Mon 16-Sept-19 15:23:20

Let’s hope the ‘change ‘doesn’t turn out to be a ‘reversal ‘
up a one way street into a dead end.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 16-Sept-19 15:22:54

GGMK3 I have always been in favour of a deal, just not the surrender document which was the WDA which was unable to get through Parliament on 3 occasions.

The border between Spain and Gibraltar is often closed due to numerous "Spanish" reasons. My family lived just down the road in mainland Spain, somedays you could drive over others you had to park up and walk over the border. There has never been a "free flowing" border as other EU counties have. Family members had to show passports and walk over 3 weeeks ago.

As for Ireland, that's is down to the civil servants and parliamentarians to sort out not me!!

GracesGranMK3 Mon 16-Sept-19 15:16:00

Some on here remind me of the original Luddites. I have always had sympathy for them just as I do for those who want to turn back the clock on the way the world works. However, it is very noticeable that the Luddites couldn't stop progress and I don't think little England (the others don't want to stop it) can do so either. Just like the Luddites, in the end, the only ones who suffer are those who believe they can hold back the tide of change and those they drag with them.

GracesGranMK3 Mon 16-Sept-19 15:12:00

Petra I know I have posted about those, but some are so enamoured by the EU that they are blind to the corruption!!!

That simply isn't true GrannyGravy13. I have never come across anyone who voted remain who didn't think there could be improvements. You obviously only read the posts you agree with. I think our own system of government could be improved too but I am not going to flounce off because of it. I would rather work for changes.

Even the ERG members are said to be moving towards a 'deal' now they have seen the assessments of the country with no agreement on leaving.