Are you scared

Very well said FC61. With a bit of luck, some people might actually take notice of your detailed and rational post.

As a diabetic, I'm interested in who tells the truth.

Chipski Diabetes UK took their information from Novo Nordisk.

The rich managed pretty well in the nineteenth century too!

The UK was actually considered the sick man of Europe in the 1960s - that's why we joined the Common Market in the first place.

We also had an Empire, which we exploited.

Growstuff, on balance I would rather take my information from the actual supplier of insulin. I'm simply reiterating what Novo Nordisk has put out in their statement. I think most people will welcome that reassurance.

The world was a different place then.

I am very concerned about the future for our children and grandchildren, and scared about the direction of politics in the UK.

We managed before we joined so we will manage again

I’m not afraid for myself , I have an EU passport and homes in EU. But I’m afraid for the future of UK because it seems people are so easily manipulated and lied to. So many truths are missing from people’s thinking. Our EU scientific , medical, environmental , research collaborations end with a no deal and that will throw us out of the global frontline of innovation and development. Some uni’s will close. We will lose EU students ( UCL PhD chemical engineering has NO British students , none had the grades , all students are EU and we may lose them !!) We will lose our vast income ( much more than a mere 39 billion ) from EU based financial services ( France are desperate to replace us) . 200 million pounds will be lost by small businesses with the time it takes to set up WTO deals which will bankrupt them. Aligning ourselves with US is madness ( MAGA with our money ? No thanks ). Referendum was based on lies , financed by Russia , who want UK out before EU tax laws apply to oligarchs money in London. So do we leave because Russia pushes it ? Re:EU army ??? Ursula VD Leyen has seven children and is not a war mongerer, unlike Putin, Trump and Xi. EU will use its economic power for peace. EU sees that NATO can drag us into WW3 and they want options to stay out and defend their borders against Russia which US won’t. As for ‘we can do world trade deals post no deal Brexit’ ??? We currently have 170 world trade deals as part of EU all of which collapse with no deal ! Will countries reinstate ? Not necessarily if EU plays hard ball to protect themselves. The EU need us ?? They just signed deals with 7 South American countries that Trump dumped. They’re not as desperate as people think and they have been preparing for no deal for two years more than we have ! Lastly the NHS will be up for sale in fact a lot has been sold ! Your GP surgery may be owned by US firms, your care homes, etc. The rest of the world is begging us for deals ? No they’re not. New Zealand maybe. Nigeria India etc yes , in exchange for visas! So you end up with just as much immigration just from Nigeria etc instead of Poland! Try getting a Nigerian to do your plumbing job !! So yes I’m scared for my friends and family in UK. I’ll be away for six months and pray the best happens and it’s as smooth as the optimists say!!! But I’m not holding my breath.

I voted out and the sooner we leave the better it has gone on for to long I am not worried it is the remainers just scare mongering.

Which ever way it goes, this will rumble on for years.
Staying in we are locked into a dictatorial organization. We will need to prop up Germany, Italy, Greece etc: abiding with all the laws made by Brussels but with no power of our own.

‘Crashing out’ will probably mean punishment by the EU before they come back to us with some kind of deal, as they
need us, or should I say our money.

When we voted we had little information about anything, apart from our desire to get back control. Most people, including me, had very little knowledge of the EU and how it works.

Recently in Tenerife on a coach trip round the island. We had a conversation with the coach driver about the bananas we saw growing there. His answer was. ‘Our bananas are harvested, taken to Spain to be stamped with the EU logo then some returned to us’

I wonder if the politicians have a personal vested interest in the EU as they seem so keen to convince us to stay, but may juggle it in some way so that the referendum is respected, but
in such a way that Brussels will still control us.

It’s not us that need to worry about this but our children and grandchildren.

morethan2. To answer your question. Not scared at all! Looking forward to leaving very soon.

We have in this United Kingdom a democracy in which its elected parliament is the highest accountable authority within this nation. That Parliament has brought forward legislation which states that the Executive within this government must achieve a withdrawal agreement for Britain to leave the European Union or seek an extension of Britain's leave date beyond the 31st of October. In the foregoing, the legislation passed by Parliament could not be clearer.

However, we have a Prime Minister who states that he will not under any circumstances request the EU for the above extension, and in that is being supported by many both inside and outside Parliament to flout that legislation and break the law.

Should this Prime Minister follow through on what he has stated and been encouraged in, I would then ask those who support such action "what then", for once the rule of law is broken at such a high level this nation becomes without credible governance and without credible law.

The law is there to protect all who reside in this country and must be seen to be adhered to by all from the highest and most privileged to the least privileged and most vulnerable.

Without respect and adherence to all the legislation which offers and makes Britain a civilised society, we have nothing.

The prospect of the loss of that " rule of law" should make all afraid, and in that think deeply on.

I am a type 1 diabetic on insulin, have M.E. and depression,so worried about medication availability. I am not making any attempt to stock up any more than I normally do in my monthly repeat prescription, as I feel that would make it worse for other people. BUT if the supplies of insulin are unobtainable for long, I, and others in the same situation, will simply die.

Doreen The first thing the government will have to do is negotiate a deal. It can't do anything until that's sorted. How do you propose the first condition about Ireland is sorted?

Cooee petra. Have you come up with a solution to the Irish border yet? Or don't you care?

Easily Milo. For a start, everybody does pay in. Secondly, ask yourself why Germany pays in more than any other country. It does it to provide a stable market for its own exports.

PS. Please could you explain your last sentence. How have "European" attitudes worsened racism? Baffling!

How can a club survive when so few pay in and so many take out?

sandelf Please check your facts!! There are no plans for the UK to join the Euro and the so-called European Army is no different from NATO. Given that Trump has moaned about the contribution the US makes to NATO, it wouldn't ne a bad idea for European countries to think about a common more European-centric defence force.

More Leaver scaremongering!! Ggggrrrrr!!!

Chipski According to Diabetes UK, the UK has a one month supply of insulin, but the future is still uncertain. Insulin has obviously made the headlines, but there are other drugs, a shortage of which will have a huge impact on people's lives.

In any case, I'm more bothered by the medium and long-term effect of Brexit. To an extent, Yellowhammer is a diversion from the real issues. There aren't even any details about Ireland and Gibraltar.

We’ve been in the EU for 45 years, & never managed to change anything from within.

Another one who needs to check their facts.

I suggest that you read this factual analysis, with evidence, of what impact the UK had on the EU.

www.indy100.com/article/brexit-twitter-thread-political-analyst-european-union-united-kingdom-united-states-america-7834846

As for Yellowhammer, we’ve had lots of these domesday scenarios in the last 3 years, & none of them has come to pass.

No, it's the same scenario. Failing economy, falling value of GB pound, falling foreign investment, shortage of NHS staff as EU nationals leave the UK, businesses moving to the EU, businesses failing as their EU customers find other suppliers within the EU... And we haven't even left yet. Yellowhammer just shows how it could become much worse...

Anyone old enough to remember the great loo paper shortage? - never actually happened

REALLY? A lot of us would have been glad of some of those 200 loo rolls stashed under your mother's bed...

I voted leave. The public has been mis-sold the EU as a trade thing when it is in fact a project for uniting Europe under one control. The clue is in the name - and in what they do - external border, one currency, plans for an army. Not happy with that. I do suspect that the price of independence may be high - although our freedom to act on an international level should mitigate it. But all the discussion seems to be to 'smoke screen' this and talk only of trade. PS Brought up in Liverpool - strongly international and multi racial place. Racism has been hugely worsened by our importing of 'European' attitudes.

Chipski
That's not the sort of post that some posters want to hear.
I was aware of this information ( and lots more) a long time ago.
I'm going to keep this post as I have a feeling in my water that some posters are still going to deny the information.

However, Day6 are you still calling for a civil war on this matter as you did on the 28th of August on this forum, as per follows

Day6 Quote @28/08/19 [ The civil war stops when aggrieved, sore losers stop belly-aching.] End quote

Erm, Grandad, you are not good in the quoting department, are you?

You will find I was quoting another poster who mentioned 'civil war' because of Brexit. The disquiet (ie, the exaggerated 'civil war' some Remain poster believed had happened) had been manufactured solely by Remainers not accepting Leave voters had outnumbered them in the referendum.

Go back and look Grandad.

Love and peace, etc.

GrannySquare I live in an area which has received very few direct EU grants because it's generally quite affluent.

Nevertheless, the area's industries (science research, IT and pharma) have received many £billions from EU grants, which are directly responsible for the area's wealth and creating jobs. Those industries are also responsible for a big chunk of the UK's exports.

Very shortly after the referendum, EU funding began to dry up, because it's typically awarded for three year contracts. The full effects still haven't materialised, but already people are being relocated to other EU countries and people here are losing their jobs. That, of course, is slowly but surely having a knock on effect on the whole area's economy.

It is quite shameful that the UK has some of the poorest areas in Europe. Many of those have received large sums in direct EU grants, either though the social fund or for farming, etc.

There is no guarantee that a UK government, especially a Tory one, will replace any of that funding, especially as those areas don't tend to vote Tory.