Are you scared

Not in the least scared!

I remember travelling before we came into the EU. We had to get a green insurance card for the car. Special carnet for the caravan. We were stopped at every border to show them and passports. Crossing from France to Spain we had to make sure we did it on Sunday when the heavy goods vehicles were not allowed to cross. There were miles of vehicles parked up waiting to cross during the week. We had to change money at every border. Took up a lot of time off our two weeks holiday.

GrauntyHelen Novo Nordisk (the largest supplier of insulin in the UK) have stated that there will be no shortage of insulin after we leave the EU. They've had to put the statement out because of the rumour about shortages.

We need to get out on 31 October so the Government can start the nitty gritty of us being out of the EU. Bring it on! No fears.

The only reason that Labour & the Lib Dem’s don't want an election is they know they have little or no chance of winning.Corbin hasn’t a hope in hell of ever winning an election.Well I’m sick of all the scaremongering & cant wait to leave......if ‘No Deal’ had been left on the table we would have go a better chance of a deal but the traitorous MPs have done everything they can to destroy or stop any chance of a decent deal for our country.I feel sorry for Boris ,he is doing his best to carry out the democratic will of the people but it would seem that the EU is collaborating with the MPs who are doing everything in their power to stop Brexit,it’s disgusting because if Boris is unable to get a decent deal the Brexit Party will flourish.

But the UK doesn't use the Euro!

How do you work out that the EU will be desperate to offer the UK a deal? Sorry, but that's nonsense. The EU is bigger, richer and more influential than the UK. It's not going to bend over backwards to offer the UK a good deal.

I'd watch out for a shortage of blinkers, if I were you!

We’ve been in the EU for 45 years, & never managed to change anything from within. We need to get out and sort ourselves out. What makes all remainers think that the EU will continue as it is? The euro is a disaster, only Germany is holding it up & Germany is now in recession. Spain wants to separate, Italy & Greece want out. I’ll bet a Euro or two that the EU will not exist in 10 years time! As for no deal, it’s a daft idea, because both the EU and us will very quickly want a deal, but if we’re out, then it will be more on own terms. As for Yellowhammer, we’ve had lots of these domesday scenarios in the last 3 years, & none of them has come to pass. If you’re worried, do a bit of stockpiling & really cause some shortages. Anyone old enough to remember the great loo paper shortage? - never actually happened, but my mum had 200 loo rolls under her bed !!

icanhandthemback I'd be grateful if you could check your facts too.

The UK rarely loses a case when taken to the ECJ.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/news/latest/new-analysis-shows-uk-rarely-taken-european-court

Weird! Why do people listen to an alleged "expert" such as David Starkey, when other "experts" are regarded with derision?

PS. Other historians don't consider him that "great".

icanhandthemback, I don't think you are correct about the ECJ. I think you should check your facts:-

(Extract from the Law Society website)

The ECJ can hear cases from the national courts through the 'preliminary ruling' system. This involves a national court referring a question on the interpretation of EU law to the ECJ. The ECJ decides the correct interpretation and sends the case back to the national court for a final decision. It is still up to the national court to decide issues of its own nation's laws.

The European Commission can also take a case against an EU state to the General Court. These cases ask the court to decide whether the member state is in breach of its obligations to the EU. In some narrow cases, such as a state being a repeat offender and where it has failed to implement an EU directive, the court can fine a member state.

An EU state can also take another member to the court. This does not happen often, only where there is a political interest for the state to ask the court about a point of EU law.

Finally, the court can perform a judicial review of EU law. This means it has the power to review EU regulations and directives and make sure they comply with EU treaties and general principles of law.

Do you have a problem with hideous reality Day6?

The appalling deal we now have from the EU has been rejected three times by parliament. So that is dead in the water and the EU has said time and time again, "take it or leave it" - which is fair enough.

It seems to me Day 6 that you have your deals in a twist. What Mrs May signed off an agreement which just needed ratifying in parliament. It was not a deal, it was an agreement about leaving; how much is owed, what can be put in place to smooth the change, etc., with a political statement attached. We have yet to get a trade deal but whatever we get cannot be as good as the one we are giving up as that requires membership. If we do not have a withdrawal agreement it is bound to be worse than if we do. This is not project fear or any other meaninglessness catch phrase, it's simply how business works.

GillT57 in regard to your post @-16:32 today, I feel that there are quite a number on this forum that "need to calm down."

We have witnessed calls for public disorder and even civil war from forum members who in alternative posts have stated they see themselves rational and considered.

Do these forum members wish to see Britain reduced to the governable status of such failed states such as Syria or Yemon who were both in previous times prosperous countries for their populations to live in.

Considered informed debate on this forum "yes" which should be supported by backup and links.

One line soundbites calling for disorder and war chaos "No", let's have an end to such posts before this crisis takes a turn that no one would have foretold three years ago.

I was undecided until the very last minute and voted leave because l thought it better on balance. My husband voted remain so we cancelled each other out. I feel l was misled and we were given very little information and l wish now l had voted remain. I certainly would if we had another referendum. As it is we are in the worst political position we have ever been in in my lifetime. I have lost all faith in the two main parties as, l suspect, have many others. What a mess.

Day6 your posts are truly vitriolic and I hope not represtative of leavers. I shall be interested to see your reply to Grandad1943's post above.

I voted firmly remain but after three years of wasted time, uncertainty, a paralysed House of Commons, I just want a decision to move on. I will now accept even a no deal BREXIT so that we pick up the pieces and move forward.

Starkey is a very right wing historian. Like so many very clever and privileged but neither a neutral voice or one who seeks any truth that most would accept as being impartial, beyond protecting the Tory establishment. In fact, like Grove, Johnson, Patel and that clique, he leave the truth at home or in the past.

Calm down day6.

Apologies, should have been "do not trust him" in my above post @16:12, not "do trust him"

Not at all scared.

There is a good article in Mail on Sunday written by David Starkey, a great historian who knows his facts. In one of lines he writes.....
"It is no exaggeration to say that British democracy, which stands in direct line with Magna Carta, is now unravelling before us".

Joelsnan : Leavers on the other hand will get on and strive to make their dream of a better life for all Brits a reality.
Sounds like a pipe dream.

What about all our EU nationals who have made great contributions to this country? They are already being marginalised.

Dinahmo, we are a sovereign nation until the European Court of Justice over rule our courts which they appear to do with regular monotony. We have a veto in some areas, not in others. As I said, I am not 'against' a European Union in some form, just not the one we've got.

Day6 Quote [One must question why the Lib Dems and Labour are dead set against a General Election too? Worried by Leaver feeling, maybe?] End Quote.

Day6, the Lib Dems and Labour party will not grant Boris (the Buffoon) Johnson the election he wishes because they quite rightly do trust him to carry out the law as passed by Parliament. When Johnson complies with that legislation then a General Election will be held.

However, Day6 are you still calling for a civil war on this matter as you did on the 28th of August on this forum, as per follows:-

Day6 Quote @28/08/19 [ The civil war stops when aggrieved, sore losers stop belly-aching.] End quote.

Well, are you Day6?

‘A big chunk of the 'real people' of this country have been in hardship for years already.thanks to universal credit,bedroom tax,cuts in benefits,privatisation,and every other way each government tries to claw back some of the 'benefits'& tax credits' they've handed out- which were meant to help,but they've since revoked’

This

I picked up from an earlier GN thread today a URL that allows me to search for EU spending in my area. Pure curiosity. I was genuinely surprised to find it quite marginal e.g. 1-3%.

So I wonder if other GN posters are in areas where the EU spend is significant ?

Thank you Growstuff. I think following the News so closely has ‘done me in’. I am so concerned for my sons & grandchildren.
Maeanna I do also worry on your behalf because I think peace in Ireland/Northern Ireland was so hard won and is so important. And if we don’t get the backstop sorted properly it will likely cause a resurgence of the troubles.

I don’t for a moment think that remainers will crow if there are shortages or Yellowhammer comes true. I think we all want what is best for our United Kingdom. I’m also very afraid that England will be alone in the end, especially if the Scots gain Independence. What’s to stop a united Ireland and Wales also leaving? Hopefully not in my lifetime.