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Supreme court appeal today over proroguing of Parliament

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Elegran Tue 17-Sept-19 10:26:23

Watch live on Youtube
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDH4TGDMvFw

Whitewavemark2 Wed 25-Sept-19 08:29:04

Interesting fact on tv this morning.

Parliament has been reconfirmed by the highest court in the land as sovereign.

The Queen will therefore have to take parliamentary will into account when the PM of the day is trying to advise her on any particular decision.

Previously she has only listened to the PM

Ginny42 Wed 25-Sept-19 06:10:31

Exactly crystaltips and that was BJ in New York yesterday. And why was a so called statesman talking about JC 'talking out of the back of his neck'? Is that how an elite education teaches one to speak of others?

To all those who wanted sovereignty restored - this is what it looks/feels like. This was sovereignty in action and btw we never lost it.

crystaltipps Wed 25-Sept-19 05:55:56

One thing that puzzles me - how come Brexit supporters were saying prorogation had “nothing to do with Brexit and was normal procedure” are now saying “stopping prorogation is an attempt to thwart Brexit”? How can it be an attempt to thwart Brexit when it had nothing to do with it in the first place ???

janipat Tue 24-Sept-19 23:33:59

Elegran haha that's all I found when I googled. Hence my "eh?" because I don't have a clue what MarthaBeck was referring to. Apparently she thinks I've slept through something important. I think she's muddled me with someone else

Elegran Tue 24-Sept-19 22:34:59

Could it be this? JRM taking up a new career? www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTJf14xjUvM

Elegran Tue 24-Sept-19 22:32:58

I don't understand either, but I kept quiet in case it was obvious to the rest of the world.

MawB Tue 24-Sept-19 22:30:56

Janipat it did have to act on the Queens Decius have you been a sleep to why the appeal to the Courts took place
Can MarthaBeck explain “Queen’s Decius” to me please.
Am I the only person not to understand the reference?

Bobbysgirl19 Tue 24-Sept-19 22:17:47

Thank you for your reply Elegran.

Urmstongran Tue 24-Sept-19 21:04:29

I’m not quiet MarthaBeck

Don’t get ahead of yourself.

Urmstongran Tue 24-Sept-19 21:03:01

Of course journos can’t say who their source is! If they did, no one would want to come forward.

I suppose it stands to reason.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 24-Sept-19 19:45:17

Kuenssberg, appears to be the no 10 sources mouthpiece.

Why doesn’t she say who the source is? It is almost certainly Cummings as he still at the moment has complete control.

So the latest statement relayed through Kuenssberg
Is “We think the Supreme Court is wrong and made a serious mistake in extending its reach into political matters”

Cummings speak for “I am pissed off”

Whitewavemark2 Tue 24-Sept-19 19:27:12

I hadn’t appreciated that Johnson is still up in another case over extending.

Supreme Court might get involved

Blimey

varian Tue 24-Sept-19 18:47:07

It was more like 3/4 of the current British population population who never voted for this brexit nonsense.

Elegran Tue 24-Sept-19 18:44:30

Bobbysgirl19 I expect that was what Marthabeck meant, but in case she doesn't answer - it is usual, when members of an organisation are voting to make a big change in the constitution, for it to be specified that more than a certain proportion of all those eligible to vote must vote positively for the change, for it to be passed. The proportion is usually far more than a simple just-over-half of those who did vote.

So, for instance, if only a third of all who could have voted were for a change a third voted against it and a third didn't vote at all, it would not be passed.

In this referendum, about a third of those who could have voted for a change in the constitution of the whole country ^ wanted to leave, the other two-thirds either didn't want to or didn't vote.

Bobbysgirl19 Tue 24-Sept-19 18:19:25

MarthaBeck can you explain your statement that 2/3 of the country did not support the proposal on leaving please.
I fail to see how you have arrived by your figures.
Are you adding the percentage of remainers to the amount of non-voters?

janipat Tue 24-Sept-19 18:10:03

MarthaBeck Janipat, it did have to act on the Queens Decius have you been a sleep to why the appeal to the Courts took place.
I agree the referendum result should have achieved a realistic agreement, but the Gov failed to come up with a sensible answer for an access trade agreement nor the NI border issue

eh? Have you confused me with another poster?

Barmeyoldbat Tue 24-Sept-19 17:17:54

Yes I remember the leavers and some of the posts about Gina Miller I hope they hang their heads in shame and they have gone very quiet.

JC I don't think will go for an election until 31 Oct when Boris has failed. Also I agree with his going for a deal and then giving us a referendum on the deal or remain. Doesn't matter whether he for or against Brexit, going for another referendum is far better.

MarthaBeck Tue 24-Sept-19 17:00:16

Janipat, it did have to act on the Queens Decius have you been a sleep to why the appeal to the Courts took place.
I agree the referendum result should have achieved a realistic agreement, but the Gov failed to come up with a sensible answer for an access trade agreement nor the NI border issue.

Why also are the 62.6% of the UK electorate views on why they did not vote to leave the EU ignored ? The majority vote was minute when compared with the fact that close on 2/3 of the Country did NOT support the proposal on leaving, the remain was status quo.

humptydumpty Tue 24-Sept-19 16:59:38

This from Boris:

BBC Newsnight

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.@davidgrossman: "Prime minister, have you misled the Queen?"

PM Boris Johnson: "We need to call an election... Jeremy Corbyn is talking out of the back of his neck and he should have an election"

Whitewavemark2 Tue 24-Sept-19 16:55:33

I’d like to be at her party tonight?

Gina Miller
@thatginamiller
Our win in the Supreme Court still sinking in. No-one should allow
@BorisJohnson
to downplay the magnitude of it in terms of preserving our parliament's sovereignty and him unlawfully advising the Queen.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 24-Sept-19 16:51:32

BREAKING: a document leaked to Sky News reveals that Boris Johnson's Attorney General Sir Geoffrey Cox had told the PM that the prorogation of parliament was lawful and said anyone disputing this was doing so for political reasons.

Leon Britton had to resign for giving duff advise.

jura2 Tue 24-Sept-19 16:51:00

She will- and she knows it. And she is well above it and prepared to ignore it. She will also get tons of admiration from so many- like me. She is amazing.

Ginny42 Tue 24-Sept-19 16:49:36

Yes, I remember that post mcem. Gina Miller is a very courageous woman and I do hope she doesn't suffer a barrage of abuse and threats as she did last time.

MarthaBeck Tue 24-Sept-19 16:45:06

We suddenly seem to have gone quiet on the subject, it that because those Boris loyalists are speechless or justifiable ashamed?

Whitewavemark2 Tue 24-Sept-19 16:34:54

The Supreme Court ruling raises an important constitutional issue: the Queen should have asked for independent legal - maybe judicial - advice before acceding to the prime minister’s highly controversial advice to suspend parliament

Big lessons here for the palace

Adonis