Labour La La Land?

You're wrong Day6. The national debt is much bigger than it was in 2010. The country didn't even suffer austerity across the board, which is why the rich have got richer. What we've had is redistribution of resources from the poorer to the richer. Genuine austerity would have taken money out of the system, but that's not what we've had or are experiencing now.

With regard to education - it is a choice countries can make. In countries with excellent, well-funded state systems- private schools barely exist, if at all.

A choice, an expensive one- but you only need to look at a EDL or BF rally to understand the massive cost of not making the right choice.

Where I grew up, and where I currently live, in the whole valley of a dozen villages, some quite large- I only had 2 friends who were sent away to private boarding school- 1 to a Catholic institution so he would become a Priest (and oh that failed ...) and the other sent by step-dad to get 'rid of him' (tragic). Currently I don't know of a single child at all who goes privately, not one.

humptydumpty
Do you think the politicians of today have the nouse and integrity of such as Nye Bevan?

The reduction in the deficit is a scam because it's resulted in a much bigger debt. That money is borrowed from people with excess money, who then receive interest on their loans. That's one way the rich have got richer at the expense of those with very little.

TBH some of these people, jura2, if they had been around at the time, might well have said the same thing when the NHS was mooted...

A government with a sovereign currency can quite literally produce money out of thin air. National financial management is not like a household budget. Most money is actually returned to the Treasury, which uses taxation to redistribute it. Money is constantly being recycled. It's the Treasury which decides who should have access to money to buy what they want. The flaw, of course, is if people evade tax and take money out of the system by (for example) banking it offshore.

Trisher
The Monday hangover day would just become the Tuesday hangover day.
The austerity measures have reduced the budget deficit but at a terrible social cost.
I do feel though that as a society some had become too dependant on the social state to the detriment of the ‘just managing’ workers and that did need addressing.
But whoever considered cutting youth and senior care initiatives, the police and other first line services should be stripped of every penny they have and made to live the life they have inflicted on others.

jura2
Does anyone think that aiming to provide good quality education for all, and good healthcare for all - is La-La ambition? Really?

Not at all, it’s just their methodology that’s just a bit LaLa

Does anyone think that aiming to provide good quality education for all, and good healthcare for all - is La-La ambition? Really?

Or will labour once again take the country to the brink of bankruptcy through borrowing

I imagine they will Joelsnan Let us hope the Labour party is unelectable.

Labour do not leave the country in a better state than they found it. And of course, after massive spending sprees and squeezing the taxpayer, the next party in Government will have to do the belt-tightening work - and Labour will scream about 'austerity'.

I remember that time gallusquine when as sack of potatoes in a red rosette would have been voted in in Scotland.

How times have changed Poll: SNP and Lib Dems set to wipe out Scottish Labour

www.scotsman.com/news/people/poll-snp-and-lib-dems-set-to-wipe-out-scottish-labour-1-5009075

I must say I look back fondly on the Labour Party and remember when I reached voting age being told by my Dad that all I had to do was put my cross against the Labour candidate. Of course these day in Scotland, as nostalgic as they are, are long gone.

Joelsnan the Conservatives brought in austerity measures because that has always been their policy. They believe in a smaller state system with less support for people. The financial crash (which was a banking crash by the way nothing to do with government) simply provided them with the opportunity to sell the programme to the public. The public of course bought it and so we have the terrible consequences, food banks, more homeless, NHS falling to bits.
One of the things a 4 day week might stop is the tremendous absentee rates on a Monday because of hangovers.
I would imagine many of the things being posted here echo what was said when people stopped working Saturdays.

Isn't it strange how people on benefits are scroungers but landlords getting HB from the same place are business people?)
Yes, isn't it?
Some rents are way too high and there needs to be sharp rent control, but landlords have bought the property, decorated and maintained it, with money they have earned, and it is a business from which they earn an income.

varian the Labour Party is now officially neutral , neither leave or remain !

MaizieD
Why did the conservatives bring in austerity measures if it was not to mitigate the 2008 financial crash and reduce the budget deficit inherited from Labour.

Independant 30/06/2018
The then chancellor of the exchequer, George Osborne, said that the coalition government had inherited from its predecessor “the largest budget deficit of any economy in Europe with the single exception of Ireland

BTW I am neither a Labour or Conservative or for that matter I have no strong political leanings. I do not approve of many of the austerity measures applied which have left our social infrastructure on its last gasp.

Our firm employs qualified carpenters, bricklayers, plasterers etc, five day week, how will one day provide jobs for young people?

The Labour Party Conference has voted to endorse Jeremy Corbyn's very muddled brexit policy.

This must give a huge opportunity to the Liberal Democrats to enter a general election campaign as the strongest party for Remain.

Anniebach, a 4 day week in our business would mean Mr.Gravy and I probably returning to work for one day as we definitely would not employ a "youngster".

Our AC would spend less time with their families as they like us would have to make up for the hours not worked by the workforce.

The week will still have 7 days Annie so things that are open all week will need extra staff for 3 days. Given an extra day at the weekend there will also be the need for more people working in the leisure industry and associated businesses.

trisher can you explain why you think a four day week will
mean more jobs for younger people ?

Taxation has never paid for everything in the national budget. That is a complete fallacy. Did anyone notice taxes increasing to 'pay for it' when the Bank of England injected some £200+ billion into the economy by way of 'quantitative easing'? There isn't a 'magic money tree,' but a country with a sovereign currency can issue as much money as it likes so long as there are resources available to purchase. They can use taxation to dampen down inflation

If we can just conjure up money from thin air (with apparently no guarantors) . Why on earth are we paying taxes. Why not quantitive ease all of the country's social needs?

And the answer to your subsequent question is NO

Brexit permeates everything as far as politics and the economy is concerned.

Oh, FFS, Joelsnan. That was a JOKE. Not even an original one, it's been done before apparently.

The UK's finances were in better shape in 2010 than they are now after 9 years (God, is it only 9 years? It seems like a lifetime) of tory cuts.

Can there ever be a thread on this site that Remain voters do not use to bash Brexit FFS!