33 days to go .... What’s the Brexit plan?

Ps Greta this was where you held back - as I pointed out earlier:

Also, Urmstongran, you do not know my personal circumstances. I have decided to wait until after Brexit to apply for settled status since I have had other issues to deal with.

Greta. I have many similar instances I chose to post that one.

Nope, got engaging Greta
Nice try though.

Urmstongran: You just demonstrated in one what I said earlier. Some posters ‘hold back’ and then drip feed something to wrong-foot anyone who gives advice.

I don't understand your comment at all. How have I held back, as you put it? I told you I haven't applied for settled status, consequently I can't comment on how easy or difficult it is going to be for me. I have until December 2020 to apply and what with this Brexit uncertainty and other issues why should I be in a hurry? To please you? There is now plenty of evidence that some people are finding it extremely hard and I know some of them personally. All I have done is to make people aware that this settlement scheme is not as quick and easy as was promised. Yvette Cooper and Alberto Costa, the former government lawyer, have also done so.

As for to wrong-foot anyone who gives advice. What helpful advice have you given?

GrannyGravy13. I'm pleased for your daughter-in-law. Presumably she is young, has access to and can use the IT equipment required. But as you say, you only have that one family experience.

I would varian it’ll be worth it soon enough!

Brexit has already cost the UK economy almost £70bn – the equivalent of £440m a week or £840 for every household in the country each year – according to a new report from the Centre for European Reform released today.

And as Boris Johnson made new concessions to Brussels in the hope of securing a withdrawal agreement, a respected think tank warned that even if a deal is reached, the uncertainty and disruption of Brexit can be expected to drag on to the middle of the 2020s or beyond, with the danger of multiple no-deal cliff-edges along the way.

Despite the prime minister’s claim that “getting Brexit done” this month will allow him to focus on domestic priorities like the NHS and crime, the Institute for Government’s Brexit programme director said that EU withdrawal can be expected to soak up the government’s “political capital and time and energy” for years to come.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-cost-economy-deal-boris-johnson-withdrawal-agreement-nhs-a9157461.html

If we divide the £70 billion that the brexit nonsense has cost us so far by the oft-repeated number of 17.4 million who voted for this madness, that gives us about £4,000 per leave voter. I wonder how many of them would be willing to give us their £4,000 to compensate for our loss.

Thank you GG13 for that!
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Urmstongran your last post sums up my feelings exactly!!

I have as good as given up posting on the Brexit threads as I have explained my reasons so many times, even I am sick of reading them.

As for "settled status" being difficult to obtain, I can only speak from family experience. DIL has never worked in U.K., married our son 6 years ago, it took under 15 minutes on line to fill in form and get her "settled status".

I love Europe and being European.
I just don’t like the EU.

Unfortunately, she's now been forced to spend thousands of pounds to maintain the right to stay here

Really??? Thousands??

Why do I distrust this statement? Am I being mean or is my BS radar on high alert?

Ah Greta there you go Also, Urmstongran, you do not know my personal circumstances. I have decided to wait until after Brexit to apply for settled status since I have had other issues to deal with

You just demonstrated in one what I said earlier. Some posters ‘hold back’ and then drip feed something to wrong-foot anyone who gives advice.

I ought to learn this lesson more thoroughly and disengage earlier (or better still, not get drawn in).

This has been more than 10 minutes of my life that I’ll never get back again. Suckered!

Sorry - blue passports. Does it really matter?

Yes, she came to the UK after the country joined the EU. I don't understand the relevance. She's lived here with her husband and family and just quietly got on with her life.

Unfortunately, she's now been forced to spend thousands of pounds to maintain the right to stay here, just because some people want burgundy passports, straight bananas (or is bendy ones?) and have some kind of quaint notion that the clock can be turned back a few decades to a time when the sun never set on the Empire. There are some, of course, who are just inward-thinking and parochial and don't like foreigners, but I'm sure you're not one of those!

You seem to be determined to be affronted. It would take you ten minutes (less time than all your posts on the topic!)

You seee, Urmonstongran, it is comments like that that make people feel 'affronted'. Why would I be determined to be affronted? What I do feel is that disrespect is being shown to many EU nationals. It makes it worse when we are told that ”you are so valued and we are so grateful for your contribution”.

Also, Urmstongran, you do not know my personal circumstances. I have decided to wait until after Brexit to apply for settled status since I have had other issues to deal with. It is better not to make off-the cuff-remarks to others when you are not in the know.

What I am actually hoping for is that some intelligent person(s) in power will admit that this settlement scheme is flawed and that it needs to be changed to make it more user friendly.

Checked Google. We joined the EU in 1973.
Okay, your friend’s mother came after that date.

You are determined to think I am being flippant. That has to be your call. I’m truly sorry you see me that way but there you go growstuff

My friend's mother is a very ordinary sort of person, who has led a very ordinary sort of life. She came to the UK when she was 18, fell in love, got married, had four children and has done all the things millions of other people have done and have taken for granted

So she arrived BEFORE we joined the EU? Was it on a visa?
I don’t get this.

My friend's mother is a very ordinary sort of person, who has led a very ordinary sort of life. She came to the UK when she was 18, fell in love, got married, had four children and has done all the things millions of other people have done and have taken for granted.

Nowhere did I claim that she sees herself as persecuted. I gave her as an example to prove to you that the whole process isn't as simple as you claim. But I guess very little will change your complacency and flippancy.

And, yes, I do think you're being flippant - either you don't understand or you don't care.

No, I'm not going to check any archives. I'm genuinely interested to know why you're all looking forward to the 1 November so much. You must actually know! Well, I assume you know.

Oh dear! My MP is on maternity leave and doesn't communicate with constituents anyway. She's a waste of space, time and money!

Ironically, my MP was only born in the UK because her Nigerian mother was anticipating a difficult birth and had the money and knowledge to make sure her daughter could be born in a safe environment and take advantage of British citizenship.

I do know somebody who communicated with her about EU nationals. Her attitude was that they can buy themselves a way forward (as she herself has done). Not really very helpful!

So what will be the advantage to any of us of leaving the EU?

Nice try growstuff I am not falling down that rabbit hole again. A few posters pressed me on that about 18 months ago and I gave a full and detailed response.

Check the archives if you are truly interested.

Why doesn’t the lady make an appointment to see her MP in her constituency and get this sorted?

I’m sorry I really am not being flippant.

But it’s like jura2 when she posts about anguished ex pats worried to death about reciprocal health care and the fall in sterling.

I now choose to devote a limited response to these lifestyle choices ... I make suggestions. They get shot down. I come up with some other suggestion. I then get drip fed further details. I try again. They persist. Sorry but I don’t buy into the ‘I’m being persecuted here’ tale. There are people who can and will help them in real life, of that I’m certain.

Windrush I hear you say? Lessons will have been learned, checks and balances put in place. Brexit applications will be more straightforward.

So what will be the advantage to any of us of leaving the EU?

Urmstongran You're actually being very flippant. As I've just explained, it's taken my friend's mother many months to get to the position she's now in. I have read about many other people in a similar situation. You really don't seem to understand (or maybe don't care). For many people, it's proving to be more than ten minutes of their life.

Ah! Mistaken identity. Sorry!