33 days to go .... What’s the Brexit plan?

The ERG may not be the problem as they have said they could be prepared to vote for concession if the DUP were in agreement and my feeling is that if the DUP are given enough they will agree. Such a pity they are not actually the representatives of the whole of Northern Ireland.

However, the 19 Labour MPs who sounded earlier in the week as if they might vote for anything are actually very divided. Some will, indeed back anything just to get a deal, which is actually an agreement, not a deal, but others are still looking for a UK wide customs deal - as are the unions.

Just to cheer up those of you who missed this weeks Brexitcast podcast, a record was reviewed on their which has been made tracking the main Stations of Brexit. I think "No Deal" is my favourite track but you may have a different one.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=8_14v8TChuE&feature=youtu.be

Good luck with persuading the ERGs.

It doesn’t matter if it’s Mays deal with some changes, as long as Parliament gets behind it.

It’s sounding hopeful that we will agree a deal with the EU now.

The 19th may be an opportunity to add a confirmatory vote to whatever they bring back, according to Benn.

It’s Mays WA agreement minus.

The tunnel. It's on.

The whole U.K. remaining in the customs union?
That sounds a massive climb down
It is in Ireland’s interest to get a deal with the U.K. there are so many links. I was toying with the idea of Ireland becoming a separate customs area within the EU in some way, no idea at all how that would work

We will see

There's also the matter of citizens' rights, which needs hammering out for any agreement.

I was working from 4pm until 9.30pm yesterday Urmstongran. When I arrived home I needed something to eat and a shower. Not disappointed at all.

Urmstongran in regard to your post @23:11 yesterday, from what I read of any "potential agreement" discussed with the Irish leader, it involves Britain remaining in the European Customs Union. That would relieve any need for customs checks at the Irish border or any other channel port.

Many would agree that this would be by far the best solution if Britain is to leave the European Union at all. However, the right-wing of the Tory Party and the Brexit Party have stated they would never agree to such a solution as in their eyes it keeps Britain too closely tied to the EU.

So, the ERG group would rebel within the Tory Party and the Brexit Party would stand candidates in every consistency against the Conservatives in the coming General Election.

The above would make a Labour Government very possible on the outcome of that vote. ?

The Remainers have been quiet tonight. I imagine most are disappointed a deal might be struck.

I wonder if it's possible to make a rude word out of EUVONKWAHOC

I wouldn’t take any notice of Johnson, nothing he says is true or trustworthy.

I assume his silly MPs will be taken in though.

None of them wants to be held responsible for the inevitable failure to agree. It's a game of pass the parcel.

It sounds like a possible reversal to May’s deal to me.

How are the hard right going to react?

Well I for one am feeling optimistic. If Varadkar is happy (and he looked pretty smiley at 5:30pm!) the EU will be, there’ll be a WA to present to the HoC, no need for the Benn Act or a VONC.

Hurrah!

It's also 'possible' that someone in my family will win the lottery (National or Euromillions) before the end of the month, but that doesn't make it likely.

There is no great difference in politics, where the word 'possible' can be completely meaningless.

If so (and it’s sounding hopeful) the Lib Dem’s go back to being irrelevant.
?

A breakthrough?

Just now, in the Guardian:

Brexit: Leo Varadkar says new agreement possible by end of October - live news

98 Reasons To Stay In The EU: Benefits Of Membership For The UK

smallbusinessprices.co.uk/remain-eu/

I wonder how many of those who insist that they knew exactly what they were voting for in 2016 realised just how much they were voting to lose?

Personaly I think it is very scary that no matter what surveys say/what voters want, BJ is going to sail on and do whatever he wats - where on earth is democracy now?

Just a third of voters believe Boris Johnson should crash the UK out of the EU without a deal if he cannot reach an agreement with Brussels over the next three weeks, a poll has revealed. And voters are turning against no deal as the Halloween deadline approaches, the BMG Research survey for The Independent suggests.

The prime minister insists he will take Britain out of the EU on the scheduled Brexit date of 31 October, with or without a deal. But only 34 per cent of those questioned back a no-deal departure in these circumstances, compared to a total of 51 per cent who said Mr Johnson should extend negotiations, call a second referendum or call Brexit off – all options which he has ruled out.

And the poll suggested that voters believe Mr Johnson should comply with legislation requiring him to ask Brussels to delay Brexit until the end of January if he fails to secure a deal with parliamentary support by 19 October.

Despite apparent opposition to the PM’s central Brexit policy, Conservatives retained their lead in the BMG poll on 31 per cent (unchanged since a similar survey last month), against Labour’s 26 per cent (down one), with Liberal Democrats on 20 (up one) and the Brexit Party on 11 (down two).

The survey of more than 1,500 voters between 1 and 4 October found 53 per cent of those expressing an opinion want the UK to Remain in the EU and 47 per cent to Leave.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-deadline-boris-johnson-eu-poll-voters-a9146196.html

Boris is set for a private meeting with the Irish taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, tomorrow, in a last-ditch attempt to come to a Brexit compromise over Northern Ireland, after talks came to a sudden halt in Brussels.

They have opted to meet on “neutral” territory in the north-west of England rather than Dublin or London, as negotiations enter a make-or-break phase ahead of next week’s EU summit.

If the plan was, to Leave without a Deal - quite a long time ago, as Mark François said tonight on the LBC show- why did they not have the guts to campaign on that basis- from the start? Instead of promising a Deal, with easiest Deal, a great fabulous Deal?