33 days to go .... What’s the Brexit plan?

I've read what Trimble has to say about the Irish border.

To this end, he suggests that the UK Government “should say we will not have tariffs whatever happens”, pointing to the long-term negative impacts that tariffs have on an economy. In the long run, the UK will be “better off not having tariffs, even if others do,” he says.

If we leave with no deal and go onto WTO rules the fact of no tariffs between the ROI and the UK would mean that we have to let everything, from all over the world, into the UK tariff free under the WTO Most Favoured Nation rule. This would not only, according to the Leavers' favourite economist, Patrick Minford, mean the end of the manufacturing and agricultural industries in the UK but also the end of any prospect of any trade deals world wide. Why make a trade deal when you can export to the UK tariff free anyway?

Lord Trimble is, to put it plainly, bonkers...

The whole GFA is built around the fact that Ireland could fudge the border issue because both Ireland and the UK were EU members, allowing for free movement of goods and people. If we become a third country there has to be a border somewhere.

I’d like the EU to take Boris’ plan (it’s not a deal - yet) seriously. It’s above my paygrade to even think what concessions I’d like them to offer growstuff
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But I do think the EU shouldn’t just dismiss his suggestions out of hand. Time is running very short now. Remainers seem to have assured the EU that they have Boris stitched up like a kipper. Well I don’t think they have and this is too serious now to be playing ‘chicken’.

I went to see Boris when he was doing the rounds with Jeremy Hunt in the Tory Leadership election. One member of the audience said to him that if he didn't keep his promise to leave on 31/3, the Conservative Party would be finished and he replied, 'I know'. So if he doesn't keep his promise, I predict a huge surge for the Brexit Party, whenever the next Election is.

Personally, I prefer to leave with a clean break Brexit because everything else will be a stitch up; just a pretend Brexit. An interim government led by Corbyn or any Remainer will alienate the majority of Brexiteers. Have any of you even read Theresa May's withdrawal Agreement? There is no deal in there, just an extension period to talk about trade after we've given the EU £39 billion and a promise to continue to pay them billions for the next 10 years or so and abide by their laws too. That's really going to make them want to be fair to us!!!!

Every pound which goes into the EU coffers is one less to be spent on UK services and all I hear is Remainers moaning about poor services. You voted for that.

What would you like the EU to concede in any deal Urmstongran? And what does the UK have to barter in exchange?

No, it doesn't break the GFA in law. Nevertheless, it threatens the (relative) peace which has resulted from the GFA.

I'm afraid I can't agree with you Urmstongran. If Brexit were such a good idea, there really would be no need for underhand tactics which aren't in the spirit of the UK's constitution. It could be done and dusted with a couple of signatures, but many people (the ones with any common sense) know that it's not that simple.

Apart from Northern Ireland and Gibraltar, apparently negotiations on fishing rights haven't even started. Anybody remember the cod wars?

And all for what? A blue passport, bendy (or is it straight?) bananas and cucumbers?

Lord Trimble who was awarded a Nobel Prize for his part in setting up the GFA has said so MaizieD

He’s one of the experts I choose to believe.

You?

Actually I agree with you jura2 that the best ‘deal’ is to Remain. The EU, quite understandably, aren’t going to give anything like as good a ‘deal’.

Which, in my book means let’s leave without a deal.

We can negotiate with give and take on both sides from 1 November.

A No Deal Brexit doesn't break the GFA.

How do you work that one out, Ug?

Boris is the only politician who is doing his darnedest to deliver what I voted for! As long as he complies with the law growstuff I have no problem.

A No Deal Brexit doesn't break the GFA. Varadkar is still in denial thinking that we didn't vote to leave.

Ultimately the EU don't want to lose their cash cow and are fighting tooth and nail, with the support of remainer saboteurs in our Parliament to stop a real EU exit.

The only deal the EU will agree to is one which locks us in, and that is incompatible with keeping U.K. an independent self governing democracy. We must find a way to overcome the surrender act and walk away from this toxic relationship.

Are you really happy to support somebody who behaves so dishonourably?

I’m wondering if Boris WILL send the letter (obeying the law) to ask for an extension but maybe once it’s granted (a given) perhaps he doesn’t HAVE to implement any further negotiation (ie delay Brexit) - thereby ‘we will be leaving on 31 October’.

2️⃣4️⃣ days till we Leave it seems.

Snap mostlyharmless

I wouldn't cheer too loudly.

It appears that the case was dismissed because it's not necessary. The law already requires Johnson to ask for an extension if no deal has been negotiated by 19 October.

... as Trump.

“The Judge has decided that because the Government accepts that it will send the letter and not frustrate the purpose of the Act, it is "neither necessary nor appropriate" to make orders.”

Can we trust Johnson and Cummings to keep their promise to the court though?

The EU are quite resolved and prepared to have to let us go ... it will cost them, but strengthen them too, in 100s of ways.

They trusted Mrs May - and she got the best possible Deal there was for a leaving partner. And yet, most of us know, that the very best Deal there is, is to remain- no question.

No, it won't - the 27 are firm- they will support their members, in this case Ireland, all the way. As they should- even it it costs them, even if it costs them a lot. That is what cooperative teams do, one for all, all for one. Wonderful.

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the EU has surprisingly lost trust, and who can blame them?

Be careful what you wish for - because we could find ourselves with No Deal from our nearest neighbours who take a huge proportion of our exported products. And No Deal from the USA has Trump's position is in danger, and the Democrats will never allow a Deal to be made, which endangers Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement.

As said, be careful what you wish for. You totally over-estimate the power and influence, of current UK in the world.

Well it seems the Scottish Court rejects latest request to force PM to ask for Brexit extension!

Anti-Brexit campaigners have failed in an attempt to force Boris Johnson to ask for an extension to article 50 if he is unable to get a Brexit deal through parliament.

That’ll make Barnier sit up.

I think Boris has a plan to write the Ben letter, in his best handwriting, asking for an extension and then send it 2nd class post with the postcode missing. This will arrive with the EU after the 31st and we will then have left by default. Just saying.

Fishermen are fast changing their mind. They know that the fish the British like to eat, has to be imported as it is not in our waters. And the fish and shellfish they catch in UK waters is not really eaten here, and has to be imported to EU where it is prized.

Liz Truss has confirmed we have to drop our Food Standards to get a deal with the USA - and we all know the NHS will be part of any deal. And at the same time- why are they still talking about at UK/USA deal - since the Democrats have no intention of allowing any Deal that will endanger Ireland and the GFA?

The truth is that the leave leaders have never had any real plan on how Britain would withdraw from the EU.

They did not know the extent of the treaties that Britain was signed up to which made the withdrawal terms the UK made on European Union impossible to meet.

They did not realise the forward commitment that Britain had made to various projects and funding that means it will cost the UK taxpayer 40 billion to leave.

They did not know the value of the customs union that allows almost eight thousand trucks per day to pass seamlessly through the channel ports and tunnel carrying more than forty percent of Britains food and other products into and out of the continent.

They did not realise the value of the free trade area that means no tariffs on any goods traded within the European Union.

In short, the leave leaders did not realise or care what the United Kingdoms membership of the European Union really means to this nation, and therefore total ignorance and bullshi*t has been sold to the British public by those who see large personal financial gain in a deregulated society which will undoubtedly follow a withdrawal from the EU.

From the Guardian earlier this year, and still totally valid- as Nancy Pelosi has confirmed:

''“The American dimension to the Good Friday agreement is indispensable,” said Richard Neal, who is co-chair of the 54-strong Friends of Ireland caucus in Congress, and also chairs the powerful House ways and means committee, with the power to hold up a trade deal indefinitely.

“We oversee all trade agreements as part of our tax jurisdiction,” Neal, a Democratic congressman from Massachusetts, said in a phone interview. He pointed out that such a complex trade deal could take four or five years, even without the Northern Ireland issue.

“I would have little enthusiasm for entertaining a bilateral trade agreement with the UK, if they were to jeopardise the agreement.”''

Trump is in no position to do anything about it.

Well apparently last night, David Cameron told an audience at the Cheltenham Literature Festival that the Prime Minister had a “good chance” of securing a deal.

And Lord Trimble, the former Northern Ireland first minister, backs Boris’ proposals, stating that they meet the requirements of the Good Friday Agreement - of which he was an architect. He had warned that the deal agreed by Theresa May would “wreck” the peace agreement.

Fingers crossed eh?

The Leave liars who fooled so many people in 2016 never had a plan. They simply wanted to destabilise the UK and the EU to cause damage and chaos for their own ends.