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A broken country?

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Anniebach Wed 09-Oct-19 09:13:48

In the 50’s and 60’s racism was rife in this country

jura2 Wed 09-Oct-19 09:11:16

Yes, so sad, tragic even. And some a revelling in it all sad

Whitewavemark2 Wed 09-Oct-19 09:08:25

gaunt47

But don’t forget our economy has also grown enormously and the extra people are positively contributing to the economy.

Immigrants have never before had difficulty assimilating into the common goals, there is no reason why they shouldn’t do now. Everyone else presumably is born into the culture.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 09-Oct-19 09:03:47

callistemon that is exactly what I am saying, in a different way.

No one questioned then whether those disabled children should be looked after, where we differed was how.
No one questioned whether the unemployed were given a safety net, and so on from the way our economy is run, to refugees, immigration. NHS, on and on. There were always a tiny minority who did not accept what the country largely did accept, but these opinions were listened to but largely ignored. Enoch Powell is an example.

The consensus was accepted by the vast majority.

Now we apparently have no consensus on the biggest issues of our times.

The debate isn’t how, but whether.

Gaunt47 Wed 09-Oct-19 08:59:53

I do agree with the poster on the whole, and there are many reasons for the disunity the poster senses.
But I would point out that there are approaching 20 million more of us on this little island since that post war period the poster mentioned. Would this very fact alone make it very difficult to agree on those common goals?

Whitewavemark2 Wed 09-Oct-19 08:48:17

I’m not talking about inequality in my post but common goals

Callistemon Wed 09-Oct-19 08:27:11

I'm not so sure, *whitewave perhaps time comes with rose-tinted spectacles.

I remember that many of the disabled were hidden away in hospitals and homes; people who had a Down's Syndrome child were advised to put them into homes, forget about them and 'try again'. Horrible.
People were put into mental hospitals and forgotten.

To be 'on the dole' was a matter of shame, not an accepted reality for anyone who may fall on hard times.

Just because we were told by politicians that 'we'd never had it so good' didn't mean that most did.

My father lived and breathed politics (Labour) and was often despairing at what was happening - with politicians and with senior management in companies.

I'm not saying some things are better now, just different, and everyone has a lot more to say about it. We are not as gullible or accepting now as we were then.

EllanVannin Wed 09-Oct-19 08:23:35

It's certainly not " Great " any more, that's for sure.
Once the envy of the world with our educational system and NHS----what went wrong ?

Marydoll Wed 09-Oct-19 07:52:54

Good post, Whitewave! I feel like you and am in despair at what our country has become.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 09-Oct-19 07:50:24

Looking at all the political threads, with their content so often one of complete and irreconcilable difference, it has occurred to me that we live in a very different country to the one we were brought up in.

Post war and for the subsequent decades, we lived in a society which largely accepted common goals such as attitude to extreme politics, the welfare state and its attitude to the unemployed and those physically or mentally disabled, or the attitude to people displaced by war or famine, etc.

We all had the same common goals. Where we differed was how we achieved these goals, which manifested in the political parties. Tories a largely centre right party, whose philosophical outlook was one of paternalism known as “one nation Toryism” and Labour, a centre left party whose philosophical outlook had been built and later expanded, on the recognition that the urban working class needed political representation, in order to represent its interests.

Both main parties largely accepted common goals, like those listed above, the difference was as I said how they could be achieved.

But now I would argue this system is rapidly breaking down, because we can no longer agree on what our common goals are.

Everything is in flux and under question.

This is resulting in huge divides, hate, and a parliament that reflects society at large which is so divided it can’t agree on the big issue of the day let alone carry on as a Parliament should with running the country. It seems paralysed.

I feel unsettled and dismayed at what is happening.

I can’t see a good outcome.