Am I the only one

There is going to be a backlash there wil be no winners which everway you voted
Our youth are ill equiped for hard graft.
Overindulgence
The labour party is not as it was with hard working decision makers its almost become
A product of its success
The state of our politicals as our decision makers has a lot wanting
In saying this how I admire the sate of democracy you have a right to vote and stand by your vote
You should not feel the need to justify.
Majority of the world are not in this position.
Im sick of the lack of moving ahead,the lack of planning for the future the lack of direct decisive thoughts and action.
Even I look at my children and feel sad at times sad that they are reliant on so many things .
Refused to have washing machine on for a couple of months taught them to use their hands to wash I was sick of the throw things into the machine whilst they are not even dirty.
What im trying to say is that now this has hit the fan.Our youth are the ones that have to readjust and think about how they can fashion out the future.
Im not a politician but have an interest in the future and the impact it has on our generation

April I have, have you? Still waiting optimistically for you to tell me three ways you and your family will be better off it we leave the EU. I will remain hopeful.

maddy you really cannot blame the EU for what individual countries do, that really is so wrong.

I will explain to those who don't get it, the GE is being blocked because the opposition does not trust BJ to use a GE to drag us out of the EU with no deal. Simple.

Amagran Tue 22-Oct-19 10:37:16 couldn't have put it better.

Nonnie, are you saying those who didn’t vote remain are unintelligent? That is certainly what comes across from your post.

The provisions of the FTP Act are stopping a GE which was wanted by BJ just to suit his own best interests. Three cheers for this Act.

Comments as I read through:

Why snide comment when I say I am happy to give my views over and over? Of course I am if someone asks, I have nothing to hide. Shame leavers are not prepared to be so open.

My Dil has never paid a healthcare surcharge, how does that work?

Fluctuation in currency rates is normal but the 20% drop in the £ is directly attributable to the vote in 2016. Even UG cannot argue with that surely?

I doubt anyone deciding to move to an EU was given any warning that this would happen. Too much 'I'm all right Jackery' and 'sod the unfortunate' for me.

Lily do you think many couples hold opposing views? I'm not sure sure because I and my DC married intelligent people who share our moral values so of course think the same about the effect Brexit will have on the UK, especially the poor.

Also, if there was a peoples vote on a deal that deal should be fully scrutinised and fact checked and explained to the voters in great detail with sensationalised lying headlines in the gutter press banned for the duration....

I just can't see what a GE is going to solve. There is no clarity on what either Labour collectively or Conservatives collectively will do about Brexit because they can't agree amongst themselves, but Brexit will nevertheless be the overriding issue.

A second referendum or 'People's Vote' on the other hand will provide whoever wins a subsequent general election with absolute clarity on where the electorate now stand on Brexit deals or remaining in the EU. A GE would then allow the parties to explain to the electorate how they would deliver the current 'will of the people' and the vast range of other issues facing the country.

Yes it is Suzie, but Parliament blocked the possibility of a GE when it arose. They voted against it. So remainers are blocking a GE.

What’s blocking a GE is the FTP Act seen as a jolly wheeze by the Coalition Government. Amazing what come back to bite you, isn’t it?

Yes, we do Lemon. A GE is needed but the remainers are blocking it.

Germany is officially in recession - announced this morning.

We are all sick of hearing about Brexit......the reason? Because nothing is done, it just rolls on and on, a wagon full of arguing politicians pulled by a weary old horse.
We need a GE right now.

Aprilrose, very good post.

Incidentally, it’s already gone belly up in Greece. I’ve spoken to a fair few Greeks, I know what they’re saying, and it’s not good. It’s on the way to belly up in Spain, Portugal, and Italy. The way the Germans run the economy suits them, but it doesn’t necessarily suit 26 other states. And now there are murmurings about the German economy too.

Have those who want to remain in the EU actually thought about what it is going to mean now? I am just wondering.

I'm afraid that whatever happens to the EU we will still be 22 miles away (even closer to Ireland) aprilrose. And if the world's largest and most sophisticated trading bloc goes belly up it will have adverse effects worldwide, not just on its member states.

This confuses me. I agree that nothing stays the same. All life is in a constant state of flux. So why do so many people who voted to leave the EU talk about returning to some kind of Britain and British values before the country joined the EU? In some cases, they've even been blatant that includes fewer brown and black faces and foreign languages in our streets

This is my take on it and I tend to agree with Ormstongran.

I do not think many Leavers do want a return to the past. I suspect that is someone elses take on what Leavers think. I certainly know that I do not want a return to anything. I want to see this country move forward, independently, thinking for itself, working for itslef and working out its own problems without being loaded down by the problems and issues of others. I want to see new values, our own values, not some made up list from a certain politician. We need to characterise our own identity not one which belongs to a nebulous superstate and leaves us with nothing.

Identity is important. Most politicians agree that. Most minority groups fight for it as part of their rights so it isn't new. Its a people thing. You make your own identity, it grows naturally, you do not have it socially engineered as it is in the EU. Its about looking forward into a global world. The EU is old, it was conceived by an Italian communist post WW2. It has outlived its usefulness, just as the soviet block outlived its purpose and was destroyed. I would rather we leave because I dont want to be near when the EU goes belly up as other such blocs have

I think it's something that applies to both extremes of political belief but not really those people that are more moderate in their viewpoint, be it coming from the right or the left.

They police their own thoughts so thoroughly that they simply cannot stray from their political standpoint to think for themselves.

Perhaps thinking for themselves is the reason for their political standpoint.

I can't say that I've noticed rightwing people being particularly flexible in their thinking.

I find this post altogether odd...

I have a severe case of Brexit fatigue, shared by many friends. Its unfortunate though as it's how things get through - force when opposition have more energy. I'd love another referendum... I'll duck now shall I?
We discuss moving away later in life but it's sad to feel like that

This evening should be those. Blimey!

Rusts? Results. Sorry.Predictive text strikes again.

April rose, there was some research published recently, the rusts of which did not surprise me at all.

People who were on the left and right of politics and those voting Remain and Leave were asked whether they would be upset if their child married a person of the opposite views.

Largely speaking (and by a very significant margin) those who were leftward leaning and/or who voted Remain would be appalled if their child married a Conservative or Leaver and this evening who were on the right or who voted Leave would not mind.

This goes completely along with what I have observed about the level of tolerance and understanding of those who hold these polemic views - and this cuts across levels of intelligence and understanding too. Being clever does not make for open mindedness or ability to think independently.

Most of my acquaintance are leftward leaning and Remainers and they are very clever women. To listen to them they might as well be wearing paper bags over their heads. They police their own thoughts so thoroughly that they simply cannot stray from their political standpoint to think for themselves.

To be honest, I wouldn’t much mind what the people my children took up with thought as long as they knew how to think.

^This confuses me. I agree that nothing stays the same. All life is in a constant state of flux. So why do so many people who voted to leave the EU talk about returning to some kind of Britain and British values before the country joined the EU? In some cases, they've even been blatant that includes fewer brown and black faces and foreign languages in our streets.

The world does indeed not stay the same, so why don't people just get used to it and adapt rather than trying to return to some kind of mythical kingdom?^

Your post is so childish growstuff I can’t even begin to want to unpick it.

You disappoint me. I expected better from you.

You are determined to be obtuse Labaik so I’m finding it difficult to debate this with you.

Let me try again.

The government of the day legislated the 15 year cut off. Our friends who live in Spain left 23y ago and they realised that they wouldn’t have any vote here in the UK after 15y.

When you think about it, it’s not dissimilar to the Scottish referendum. My father is Scottish. His family (he inherited it in 1965) have owned a house in the West Highlands since 1925.

However, since he has lived in Manchester for 50 years he wasn’t able to vote in that referendum even though he still owned a house up there. I asked him at the time how he felt about it (the 15year cut-off) and he said he thought it was fair as he didn’t LIVE there anymore. It was up to those who did - English, Polish, Spanish - whoever - to decide as they would be living with the consequences.

Same surely here as regards Brexit & ex pats? One cannot ‘cherry pick’.

All I said was ‘nothing stays the same’ and you know full well it doesn’t. Life will always be unfair to some if they choose to see it that way (not my father though).

Brexit will ONLY affect the ex pats if there is No Deal because of the reciprocal health care provision. If there’s a deal they will be FINE and they KNOW this.

As regards fluctuations in currency exchange rates, that’s not new to Brexit and it cannot and should not be held to account for it.

In 2009 we were on holiday in Fuerteventura and sterling was only fetching 99 cents to the £1. Some ex pats out there were having to sell up and come home as their pensions, once converted into euros meant they were struggling.

Don’t blame Brexit for ex pat lifestyle choices! They ought to have done SOME homework, surely?

Life is swings and roundabouts. I’m sorry - you seem determined to think I’m being harsh. There’s nothing I can do about that.

Good post Ramblingrose