Am I the only one

What exactly do you mean lemongrove? As far as I can see, the biggest problem for many is healthcare, the form of which isn't (and never has been) dictated by the EU. I expect you're aware that all immigrants to the UK, even those with settled status or with a legitimate visa, have to pay a healthcare surcharge. Some countries are already offering to treat UK citizens more generously than the UK is treating their citizens.

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Nothing stays the same in life. The wheel turns. I agree, it’s upsetting for some (but fine if it’s not No Deal Brexit, so fingers crossed for them!). Life isn’t fair as we know. It never was.

This confuses me. I agree that nothing stays the same. All life is in a constant state of flux. So why do so many people who voted to leave the EU talk about returning to some kind of Britain and British values before the country joined the EU? In some cases, they've even been blatant that includes fewer brown and black faces and foreign languages in our streets.

The world does indeed not stay the same, so why don't people just get used to it and adapt rather than trying to return to some kind of mythical kingdom?

If they love living in that particular country so much, then they will do their best to stay there.What a shame that those EU countries couldn’t do for Brits ( or rather wouldn’t!) what we are doing for their citizens here.Not a bad country at all are we?!
In the event, they may well do the same, nothing is settled as yet and they are staying their hands on it until we leave the EU it seems.
Nothing in life stays the same.

But they moved there with no idea that this scenario was likely to play out in the future. So, you vote for something that could badly affect a lot of people's lives and your take on it is 'well, life's unfair, isn't it'.

We just go round and round these issues until we are dizzy. This was on another thread with jura2 who was terribly upset about it all.

If you live permanently in another country for FIFTEEN YEARS it’s surely fair not to expect a vote in the country you chose to leave which is why legislation backs up this viewpoint.

The ex pats I know (quite a few) who have retired out there for that length of time pay their tax to the SPANISH government as anyone would have to if they spend more than 183 days in one country other than the U.K.

Nothing stays the same in life. The wheel turns. I agree, it’s upsetting for some (but fine if it’s not No Deal Brexit, so fingers crossed for them!). Life isn’t fair as we know. It never was.

Other EU countries should give commitments to British families who now live there, just as we are doing for EU nationals living here.If they won’t do, that’s not our concern.
I wouldn't want to continue living in that particular EU country if the government took that tack and would return asap.

But don't a lot of them [I'm thinking of those that have lived abroad for15 + years] still pay taxes to this country and, in some cases have had their pensions decimated...and then weren't allowed to vote.

With respect Labaik we all voted as U.K. citizens because we LIVE here! A referendum in THIS country was called.

If people CHOSE to live abroad then it’s understandable that they now feel disenfranchised over Brexit but to quote the EU ‘they cannot cherry pick’.

Good post....

Apologies for not having read all the previous posts but no matter how bored we all are with hearing about Brexit this should not make us agree to any old deal just to silence MPs. If we are leaving the EU we need to get the best deal we can to protect our economy, jobs and the environment.

As I recall, the Leavers' campaign slogan was "Take Back Control". That is precisely what Parliament are doing so they should be pleased! MPs are just doing their job, which is to scrutinise Government policy and proposals, including policy and proposals for Brexit. The fact that some MPs have lost the whip to vote against a No Deal shows that they are even willing to put country before party and their own jobs!

It is amazing that anyone believes what the PM says after his meaningless"Die in a Ditch" promise if he had to send a letter requesting an extension, which he has done. He behaves like a petulant child when he doesn't get his own way and his threats to ignore the rule of law are bringing the office of PM into disrepute.

As for the soundbyte "Get Brexit done" by voting for his deal, that would only be correct if there was a No Deal as we would leave the EU immediately. All that voting his deal through will do is move us on to the next stage of the process, which is to negotiate a trade deal during the transition period which can run until the end of 2020. So we will be hearing plenty more about Brexit in the future.

All the MPs who voted against BJ's deal want is to know the detail. The document is over 100 pages and he wanted them to put it through on the nod. They want to know what exactly they are voting for. Surely no one can argue with that?

But most of them didn't ask for this [and probably weren't allowed a vote either]….and yet other people that won't be affected can just inflict it upon them.

I find it sad too Labaik but quite honestly I don’t think it’s going to happen - they would only be wanting to return if there was No Deal Brexit. If there’s a deal they’ll be fine they say. Another good reason to vote for a deal!

I realise that Labaik, but we’d be making progress. At the moment we’re paralysed and going nowhere. We need to go somewhere, a general election, ratify the bill or whatever. We’re simply stuck, going absolutely nowhere.

But that won't be the end of it; just the beginning....

Agree with you Urmstongran.

Vena, with regard to your original post, no, you are not the only one who is sick of the whole business. I am too. I wish the politicians would just vote for BJ’s bill and then let us get out.

But you can have the best of both worlds having properties in both countries and they can't. And Brexit will probably make it difficult for them to sell up and move back here if they need to. I find that very sad.

Thank you for believing me Labaik even though you don’t understand their reasons.

It feels good!
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I do feel for then Labaik see para 3 of my comment, line 2. I can appreciate they are scared if it were to be a No Deal.

That said in the event of No Deal it was up to each individual EU country to decide how to proceed. I don’t see No Deal happening though.

However, I am disgusted with our Parliament. They don't want no deal,
they don't want to vote on a deal
and they don't want a general election.

They can't hide forever - the public are watching and waiting.

And yes, I do believe you [why shouldn't I?] and I'm not surprised because I've seen plenty of interviews with ex pats living abroad. But it still doesn't make me understand why.

But don't you feel for some people that have retired there, some, possibly for health reasons and are worried sick about what will happen to health care etc in the future?

grandtante were you referring to abuse in RL or abuse on GN? Abuse is a word , like bullying and intimidation, that shouldn’t be used lightly. And sadly it is used lightly on GN.

Well Labaik I bet you’d be surprised (and probably determine not to believe me) but quite a few of the Spanish people we know in Malaga are envious we had a referendum.

When one lady who owns her own small business asked how I had voted, I was a little unsure whether to tell her. Then I thought ‘oh what the heck!’ She actually squealed and clapped and said she didn’t blame us for wanting out of the EU.

As regards ex pats - yes, they want to Remain. And I can understand that as they are all (well retirees) scared they won’t get reciprocal health care if we leave on No Deal. I can well imagine these were the people who were on the march in Malaga!

Finally, there are people like us out there - retirees and second home owners for very many years who don’t have a mortgage or rent to pay, who have a foot in both camps. They (like us) live mainly in the U.K. and continue to pay tax to the U.K. government. We were all happy to vote Leave. We all agree that we LOVE Europe but hate the EU.

I hope this answers your question - surprising isn’t it?

grandtant
That's the reason most leave voters rarely post on Brexit threads.
Except for Urmstongran, bless her ?