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vena11 Sat 19-Oct-19 22:02:43

Am I the only one who is sick and tired of Brexit. I am not into politics or wanting a debate. I just want things to get back to normal

aprilrose Sun 20-Oct-19 11:29:26

I don't believe all leavers have been called ignorant. However, we have heard some leave voters give reasons for wanting to leave the EU that, quite frankly, have been based on ignorance or let's call it lack of knowledge and understanding

So there comes the insults again. Ignorant - no matter how you word it. The underpinning belief is that somehow remainers have the monopoly on understanding. They may not have. They do not know. It is based on their beliefs and experiences. It is almost a religion with them like extinction rebellion is to GT and friends.

That is my opinion. I have heard comments such as this made so often I now ignore them. I have tried discussing it reasonably and it always ends up with the same comment being returned ( as above).

There is a reality here - more than half the country have not benefited from 45 years in the EU and want to leave. The others want to stay because they fear they will lose their advantage and benefit which has been gained from being in the EU. It is the same old argument with a different focus.

Dinahmo Sun 20-Oct-19 11:28:18

Greta I totally agree with you. The leavers expected the rest of us to leave the life that we knew for an unknown life so it's not surprising that we remainers are angry.

When we joined the EU the negotiations had been carried out, the results were presented to us and we then had a vote whether to accept or not. Since then people like Farage (MEP since 1999) have been fighting to leave using lies and misinformation to further their cause.

Jaan12 Sun 20-Oct-19 11:22:24

Like everyone else am tired of hearing about Brexit and can see the arguing about it lasting a long time.

Greta Sun 20-Oct-19 11:01:11

Aprilrose: It has been made a very big deal when it should have been simply done and then we would have got back to normal.

But, Aprilrose, it is a very big deal. People's lives have already been affected and will continue to be so. I don't believe all leavers have been called ignorant. However, we have heard some leave voters give reasons for wanting to leave the EU that, quite frankly, have been based on ignorance or let's call it lack of knowledge and understanding. It wouldn't be so bad if only they would be affected by Brexit but they are dragging a whole nation with them. So remainers are understandably angry.

A guest on the Andrew Marr show likened the Brexit fatigue to the feeling so many of us have towards the end of pregnancy: ”I just want to get it done and over with so I can get some sleep and get back to normal.”

Labaik Sun 20-Oct-19 10:56:46

I find it rather worrying that the biggest decision taken by a country in my lifetime [along with the Iraq War] just leaves people 'disinterested'.

Oopsminty Sun 20-Oct-19 10:44:19

I find it morbidly fascinating.

I am astounded that family and friends have fallen out

We have both Leavers and Remainers in our family and friend circle.

Not one fall out

I think social media has a lot to answer for. Whipping people up into a frenzy.

I do notice though that most people I bump into mostly appear disinterested in it all.

It's only forums like this where it all appears to be manic

Dolcelatte Sun 20-Oct-19 10:42:56

@aprilrose I certainly did not mean to offend you, and my profound apologies if I have done so.

I obviously misinterpreted your post, but you sounded so angry and bitter. You referred to the comments which your husband had made, including 'thick' and 'stupid', and said that you would not forgive him. It did not sound like a light hearted post and, if my husband were to make such remarks to me, then I would not consider that our relationship had much of a future. However, only those in a marriage know the true situation and I am sorry if I misunderstood. flowers

dragonfly46 Sun 20-Oct-19 10:39:51

Well I for one wish it was over and we can start picking up the pieces, because there will be many pieces and a great deal of fallout. I am a remainer but realise Brexit has to happen so why can't they have a cross party committee to sort this mess out and get the best possible terms.

Jane10 Sun 20-Oct-19 10:35:41

Geminigran- that's exactly what I said last night!

aprilrose Sun 20-Oct-19 10:34:44

Concern for my family is my priority

That is my priority too. I think I have explained elsewhere how being in the EU has affected the area I live in and how that was responsible for the vote to leave - which was significantly higher where I live than taken overall. There is considerable anger and bitterness where I live. The anger does boil over but the national press ignore it.

aprilrose Sun 20-Oct-19 10:31:05

^aprilrose: "They would have expected me to accept it had things been reversed."
Farage was all ready to demand a re-run straight away if it had been as close the other way. After 3 1/2 years, the damage leaving will do has become evident.^

He would not have been given it, just as remain minded people have not been given it - nor should they. To request / demand etc is one thing. To overturn a democratic decision is another, no matter how you might not like it.

Normally our parliament would recognise the decision and move accordingly, not spend nearly four years trying to stop it. I don't think many remain minded people realise how much anger there is outside of their tiny little bubbles such as this forum. Say too much here as a leave voter and you get banned. I have seen it happen.

aprilrose Sun 20-Oct-19 10:26:41

@aprilrose Brexit can be blamed for many things, but surely not your marriage problems?

My goodness me! I am astounded. Talk about escalation of a an issue? Where did I comment I had marriage problems?
I simply stated that my husband and I disagree on this one matter. He has made a comment to me. I have argued back. he has flung a few insults. I have refused to cook his meal.

Things will blow over when he tells me he is sorry and I lose my anger at him. We will then agree not to discuss the matter further and we will keep our opinions to ourselves. Thats the way things work out.

Many domestic disputes may go the way but we usually make up. Only when one side cannot. It does not mean we are having "marriage problems". We are not. We are simply disagreeing over a particular issue.

That is really what should have happened with Brexit. The leavers won. Remainers should have complained - they have that right but they do not have a right to hijack the decision. Then we all say sorry and all is forgotten..... but rrmainers will not say sorry and give up and therein lies the " Marriage problem" in this country.

I am disgusted with your comment and your assumptions. Your comment is unspeakably arrogant in my opinion.

Chestnut Sun 20-Oct-19 10:02:05

aprilrose - very sad to hear you are so deeply affected. I agree Brexit was handled badly from the start. If remainers had come on board and accepted the result we could have all worked together to get it done in a year. Instead they have fought tooth and nail to stop it happening and that is what has caused so much division and hatred. Leavers have been vilified and as you say accused of ignorance, so they have had to fight back simply to get the result of a democratic vote carried out.

Geminigran Sun 20-Oct-19 09:50:14

I'd like to go into the Houses of Parliament and bang all their heads together - oh wait would I be abusing them ????

annep1 Sun 20-Oct-19 09:49:25

Aprilrose ! I think it's terrible that you have been abused because of this. I remember voting Conservative in a local election some years back and my daughter rudely saying 'Well you better not tell xxxx. Her husband is a member of the Labour Party " So what!
I am continuously abused for my views on abortion.
I will continue to state my views. I won't be intimidated by bullies. People should be able to disagree in a mature manner.

mcem Sun 20-Oct-19 09:49:22

Concern for my family is my priority.
I'm not interested in an immediate decision as I want the right decision. If the price we have to pay for that is more grumpiness, so be it.
Voted Remain and will support any delay/move/vote/ referendum to achieve that.

Gonegirl Sun 20-Oct-19 09:46:28

I myself find it quite interesting to sit back and watch it all happening.

Interesting times.

Gonegirl Sun 20-Oct-19 09:44:19

aprilrose you mustn't think like that.

I swear to you that this Brexit/in/out thing will never be important enough to ruin your relations with your husband and with your family.

Please try to let it go. Put it all in a balloon and let it float away. Anything to stop it ruining your life like that.

flowers

Dolcelatte Sun 20-Oct-19 09:42:34

@aprilrose Brexit can be blamed for many things, but surely not your marriage problems?

And I agree with those who blame David Cameron. He should hang his head in shame at the chaos and division in the country which he has created - not only between families and friends, but it seems on the cards that the union itself may fall apart. Whatever side of the debate you are on, most people would agree that the referendum has been disastrous in that it has paralysed the country for over three years. Sadly, this 'Pandora's box' cannot now be closed and some very unpleasant forces have been unleashed.

lovebeigecardigans1955 Sun 20-Oct-19 09:38:34

You're never, ever the only one - whatever the subject matter. The media who are 'up themselves' love it though and try to force feed the rest of us. We all want to get back to normal, don't we?

yggdrasil Sun 20-Oct-19 09:35:09

The only way we can get back to normal is to revoke Article 50, and accept that any effort to leave the EU was a really bad idea.

aprilrose: "They would have expected me to accept it had things been reversed."
Farage was all ready to demand a re-run straight away if it had been as close the other way. After 3 1/2 years, the damage leaving will do has become evident.

Johnson won't have a second referendum because it is now obvious there is a much greater demand for Remain. Especially with the young people who are now of an age to vote, and the British people living and working in the EU who were disenfranchised too.

aprilrose Sun 20-Oct-19 09:25:16

My husband is not getting his dinner today. I am not sick of Brexit. I want it done. I am angry with remain minded people who cannot accept the original vote. They would have expected me to accept it had things been reversed.

I am sick of being called names by those who do not agree. This morning my husband called me " thick", " don't have a brain", "stupid" " don't understand" and all in on sentence. He is a remain minded person. Its not the first time but I don't think I will forgive him now. Since I am the main earner in our household. I find that an insult of the ultimate kind.

As for others who I am not so close to, I think I will never forgive any remain minded persons.. The bitterness I feel is running very deep, even though it remains unspoken of by me to anyone.

The pattern has been the same for three years, whether my husband or any other remain minded person. There will be no going back to any "normal" for me. I have been hurt, insulted and degraded far too many times by those who simply do not agree over this matter. It has been made a very big deal when it should have been simply done and then we would have got back t normal. Now the anger and bitterness will be around for most of my lifetime and maybe beyond I suspect. It is a focus for the divisions in our society. Those divisions, bitterness and anger are going incredibly deep. I do not think remain minded people have realised quite how deep.

Iam64 Sun 20-Oct-19 09:10:37

I'm interested in politics, voted Remain, reluctantly accepted the vote was Leave.

I agree with those who say it will be a long time before this country is back to whatever normal is. The divide seems to get wider and the levels of anger higher.

I veer between wanting a People's Vote and finding myself as worn out by it all as most others seem to be. I agree with BlueBelle's post - Cameron has a lot to answer for.

gmarie Sun 20-Oct-19 09:09:35

I feel similarly here in the US. We're very polarized and I can't turn on the TV or radio or even read the news anymore without feeling distressed.

whywhywhy Sun 20-Oct-19 09:01:31

No you are not alone. I fell out with a "friend" due to the referendum. Its 2 years since we spoke yet we were friends for 23 years! She's a leaver and I'm remainer. I texted her yesterday, so far no word. So sad. I Hate all things bloody Brexshit! X