Am I the only one

I don’t recall why either maizieD but we were buying our little place in Spain at the time and the rate hovered around 1.08-1.10. My exporting in-laws were cockahoop as we were tearing our hair out - it’s an ill wind....

Nonnie
how on earth did you work that out
Probably because you posted because I and my DC married intelligent people
By that you inferred that I and other people who voted leave didn't.

That is why I pointed you to a very intelligent woman who voted to remain who's husband voted to leave.

Somewhat specious argument, that Pantglas. The pound falls for a reason. What the reason was in 2011 I don't have time to research, but the current low is directly attributable to Brexit.

I think you’ll find the pound was lower in 2011 Nannie, with no Brexit to blame....

petra Tue 22-Oct-19 20:26:32 how on earth did you work that out. I haven't said that but do feel free to reinterpret my posts because I am used to people who don't have an answer doing that to me. I would prefer rational debate but clearly not everyone agrees with me.

Sorry but what is wrong with anyone using the tax system for the benefit of their shareholders? As long as what they are doing is not illegal it is their obligation to do the best they can for those they serve. What we need is a tax system which prevents such things happening, not to be nasty about those who are doing what they are paid to do. Many of us had ISAs so we didn't pay tax on our savings. I don't agree that companies should be allowed to pay less tax than is morally right but it is the laws which need to be changed. That is what the EU has done and it will happen in January. Good for them.

I think the drop in the value of the £ is better than any statistic, if is an indisputable fact which no one can argue against. It is obvious that it is a result of the 2016 vote.

Thank you petra
I am just polishing my halo
DH would say that it does slip quite frequently.

Perhaps being brought up by parents who had different political views made me realise that people can differ but still respect and see the other's pov whilst not necessarily agreeing with it.

PS. There is another one - Worldometers which ranks us at 26th.

No I didn't chose one that fits my views - it happened to be the first one that I looked at (Statistic Times) which was based upon IMF figures and that is the one that put the UK at 23rd.

I don't think anyone would think that the UK was ranked 23rd in Europe! My figures relate to the world whilst those of Eurostat that you've quoted are the EU member countries plus 3 countries waiting to join.

Trading Economics ranks us as 23rd (GDP per capita) and 25th (GDP per capita PPP (Purchasing Power Parity))

I don't see the point of comparing us with other European countries when we are "hoping/expecting" to trade the world over.

Dinahmo
You obviously chose a site that fitted your views.
The website Eurostat ( funding from the eu) puts us at 11th.
Trading economics puts us at 5th

It not worth my time looking any further as it's obvious it depends on who's fiddling the figures.

What site put the uk at 23rd?

Ginny42 I'm surprised that the information I provided above just goes over some peoples heads. They don't seem to recognize the actions of the extremely wealthy. Or else they assume that we are jealous. Which I don't think is the case. The likes of Philip Green, who has 3 yachts, stitches up the workers at BHS and their pension fund and is a good example of what is wrong with today's capitalism.

Callistemon
As if ?

I was just holding you up as a shining example of an intelligent woman ( you do have an 'ology' don't you?) who is married to someone who voted leave.

And, I might add, has never made a nasty ( or one of my favourite words) snide remark to us who voted to leave ???

petra
Is my name being taken in vain?

Perhaps that question may be better put to my DH!
He would say that his ears are sore.
Although I do see his point of view and it has nothing whatsoever to do with immigration, the NHS or any of the reasons posters assume of those who voted to leave.

Is that one vote out of nine for BJ?
Maybe you should open that champagne now. I know you've had a few celebrations thwarted so maybe just settle for this as you may not have another chance!

Am feeling much happier tonight ? as Parliament has accepted the deal....wants more than three days to look at it which is a shame, but the first vote is very significant and has broken the paralysis in the HOC.

Of course he did Petra and Ginny. He’s as bent as a nine bob note. And to think that Luxembourg are one of the countries who receive a massive amount more than they put in. You couldn’t make it up!

Ginny42
I don't wish to tell my Grandmother how to suck eggs but are you aware that it was Jean Claude Juncker who set up Amazons very generous tax avoidance plan when he was Prime Minister of Luxembourg.

Nonnie
And yet another snide dig at the thicko's who voted to leave.
Carry on, I'm now finding it quite amusing that people are getting so angry over something, which, in the big scheme of things doesn't matter a diddly squat.

BTW. Why don't you ask Callistemon what she thinks of her husband who voted leave. I think you might learn something.
On second thoughts, scrub that last sentence.

I keep repeating that in all my conversations with friends and they don't know about these rules changes- I can see the realisation dawning as I explain. So the JRM's of this world want out before his millions overseas become liable for scrutiny and why shouldn't it? The same with the companies like Amazon who have avoided paying the right level of tax in the UK, but their workers, whose labour keeps the company going, and customers pay their taxes.

*Aprilrose" The world is getting smaller on a daily basis. The most powerful organisations are the multinational corporations who manage to pay less tax because they are able to make use of the various tax havens.

Whilst during the 19th century Britain controlled the largest empire in the world we are no longer in that position and we can never get back to that. We are now the 5th/6th richest country, possibly soon to be 7th. However, much of the wealth has disappeared off shore. When the UK is rated by GDP per capita we are 23rd in the list, below most of the other European countries, including France and Germany.

As as been said in several threads, new EU rules that affect the taxation of multinationals and tax havens are operational from next January and that is why Johnson is in such a rush to exit on 31 October.

There will be no 'backlash' from the EU, they will simply look after their own interests as will all the countries we try to get deals with. That is to be expected and is the right thing to do.

If we have another referendum there will be far less backlash in UK than if a deal goes through without one. We need to know what people really want and there is only one way to do it.

grow thanks for that, when did it start? How do they police it? Thinking back about 15 years we had foreign students staying with us (they even looked it) and we took one to A & E and no one asked for ID or any proof of entitlement. No one has asked my friend to pay, they even have an NHS dentist. Seems system is not working! However, it is not a lot to pay is it?

prilrose Tue 22-Oct-19 12:49:34

I think it would be more credible if you explained why

1 you would have a job if we leave and not if we don't
2 Why you think you will be better able to pay your bills because we all know things will become more expensive and GDP will be lower than it would have been

and

3 Why you will reach pension age when you wouldn't if we stay. Incidentally some research by Mercer which I read today gave the top 10 countries with the best pensions. Netherlands was top, UK didn't make the list. I think others may be able to give you more information about how much lower our pensions are than the rest of the EU. Of course this is just of interest as our membership of the EU has no effect on our pensions. Of course with so many of us living a longer life and GDP going down our pensions are not going to improve. The value of the £ going down and low interest rates also means pension funds will not do as well as they could.

Nonnie Some info on the healthcare surcharge …

www.gov.uk/government/news/increase-to-immigration-health-surcharge-gives-nhs-extra-funding

A second referendum or 'People's Vote' on the other hand will provide whoever wins a subsequent general election with absolute clarity

No it will not. A peoples vote, ie, another referendum will only be advisory as remainers keep telling us about the last one. It will be as open to dispute as remainers have made the last referendum.

Do you think that leave voters will not have learned from the tactics of remain supporters in all of this?

We need a GE. That will clear parliament or return a bunch of remainers. Either way, it is not advisory. However, we cannot have a GE because we have an FTP. Too many MP's are afraid a GE will cost them their jobs . Everyone wants job security.

April I have, have you? Still waiting optimistically for you to tell me three ways you and your family will be better off it we leave the EU

1) I will have a job.
2) I will be able to pay my bills and that will mean that I will keep a roof over the head of my family
3) I will make it to pension age and then I will be assured of some income for the future.

I have other " hopes" but you asked for what I would actually get.

I think you are quite right ayokunmil, there will be backlash. There will be a double backlash. There will be a backlash from leavers whose vote has been ingored and I think many remainers underestimate that but I also think that there will be a backlash from the EU.

In fact they have said as much. They will make this country pay for having dared to vote leave and they will not discriminate between leavers and remainers in the economic sanctions they will employ, the way in which they will ensure we are completely swamped by free movement across the EU and the way in which we will be tied to their political union.

We will also be subject to the back wash when the EU economy goes belly up and it is on its way. If anyone thought the last austerity was bad they will see far worse when the EU collapses. I am not fear mongering. Its just a matter of time.