The Labour Party is not a Leave Party or a Remain Party, it is a socialist party

Well, the Tories aren't exactly pulling together either, lemongrove.

I would prefer to see Starmer as leader - not because I don't think that Corbyn would make a good PM; but because he won't be given a chance. The media have had it in for him since the day he took the leadership. Starmer has been very good on TV and in Parliament (it's reaching the point where I am confusing the two, as I have enjoyed watching the Parliament Channel recently), and I wonder if this is the start of a campaign to get him to replace Corbyn.

Nobody "knows it" lemon much as some may pretend for their own ends that they do. Take the last GE. It was a certainty for TM and look how that turned out!

trisher...discussion?! ????
They are as riven as a spectacularly riven thing.
Do remember that they are divided over Brexit and all those Leavers who are Labour voters feel badly let down, as well they might.If there was a GE they would be decimated at the polls, and they know it.

Peonyrose: "Finally after sitting on the fence for 3 years they have decided what they are".

That is what they have been saying for all those three years.
That people recognise although they may be divided by Brexit they are united in believing in a fairer society.

It's called discussion lemon most democratic organisations accept it. The LP are united in wanting an end to a time when ordinary working people have suffered and the super-rich have prospered.

Nope Barmey...it’s Labour all right.They are even more divided than the Tories on Brexit.
One day Tom Watson says one thing and is contradicted by Starmer, then Starmer says something and is contradicted by Corbyn....it’s a madhouse.

BTW If you knew London at all, you'd know that most Londoners aren't "luvvies" either.

Lemongrove Sorry you made a typing error should be Tory not Labour.

The Labour Party have no idea what they want to be, so tailor the speeches to different audiences, they may well say ( what Lavery said) ....it saves them from saying they have no bloody clue what they are right now.

I think JC is a really good speaker, you believe him and he doesn't bluster like some. Boris wants an exit as soon as possible as the EU rules on Offshore Tax starts Jan 2020 and that will hit him and his mates badly. I really want to remain but I could just about accept it with a load of amendments, including staying in the single market. But if we do that we might as well stay.

It was reported to day that the LP's income in 2017 was around £12 million. In 2018 it was £6 million. Seems to me that the party will find it easier to pull together now as there are so few of them.

Apologies, trisher, I misread your thread title. My response might seem a little odd...

There is a theory that BJ wants a no-deal brexit followed by a GE which he loses so that the Labour Party have to deal with the ensuing disaster.

I certainly do not want a GE in the near future. If Johnson and his minority government force us into this Brexit disaster that some people are getting so excited about, then I want the Tories to be there, in government when the whole bloody lot falls in around their ears, when the M20 becomes a car park, when there are food shortages, medicine shortages, staff shortages in care homes and hospitals, when the remains of the car industry leave so that the people who applaud them can see them for the absolute selfish sh*t shower that most of them are.

What people don't appreciate is how good Corbyn is when he speaks to the public. As for the "London luvvies" there aren't a lot of those up here in the NE but there is strong support for Corbyn and Labour.
How can Starmer replace Corbyn? He is the democratically elected leader. Labour isn't like the Conservatives they don't just pick a leader on a whim there is due process.

I cannot understand why Corbyn hasn't been replaced by Starmer long ago. Why are they holding back? Are they being advised to wait for a crucial point in the proceedings to take maximum advantage of the Tories?

I realise the LP want the Tories to own the failure to deliver Brexit. Then the Tories tried to blame the EU, but they said on your bike Boris, you're not blaming us and said yes to his plan.

I wish Starmer would take over, sideline Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell and get on with being an effective opposition. It can't be hard, given the infighting and grandstanding on the Tory benches. Corbyn is a terrible party leader, a weak indecisive man.

The Labour party is no longer the party of the common man. It is the party of the London Luvvies!

Finally after sitting on the fence for 3 years they have decided what they are.

Time for Starmer to take over at the lead... for sure.

Pulling together, trisher, apart, of course, from Caroline Flint, Kate Hooey and Stephen Kinnock who have joined the ERG and DUP in the rightwing 'Prosperity Commission' thinktank.

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And any Labour MPs who intend to support the government today..

I'm still a bit sceptical, though. I'd like to hear it from Corbyn...

I am cheering with him Trisher