Can anyone apart from the elite, say what they want from Brexit

I would say that a huge majority of leavers daren't give an honest answer to this question because it would be racist to say what they really voted leave for.

Actually...no.
I either have issues which are are abbreviated into an acronym, anxiety about my spelling or an unwillingness to spend my time in the manner you suggest.
Take your pick. ????

Do you ever 're-read your answers Gabriella?

Same person asking the same questions in (of course) a polite manner expecting a reply on the basis that that same questioner always answers questions so why not answer theirs after all, the questioner thinks it's the polite thing to do.
What a cheek and how laughable to think that others should do as they do because it's 'polite'.
Not proffering a suitable answer (which we all know will be verbally shredded) makes the person asked, rude.
I never read such tripe.

Corporation tax helps to fund schools, hospitals, NHS prescription meds, social housing and all the other infrastructures we have come to appreciate for our welfare.

GracesGranMK2, I am sorry we do not share the same sense of humour my repeating the remark of Michael Winner, a flip comment at the end of a long post and was not meant to be taken as an instruction to anyone. I thought the way I worded it made it clear.

I am sorry you were so affronted by it.

Thank you to those who saw my remark in context.

Nonnie, thank you for your pleasant and polite response. I’m actually not accusing you, I’m pretty certain actually that your responses have always been polite. I’m thinking of about a few other posters who do have a tendency to become confrontational. I’m sorry if I came across as confrontational, I didn’t mean to. As I actually voted remain, I can’t really discuss how I voted, except to say I was very torn, and in the end I plumped for remain purely for the economic argument. However, I have noted that the Brexit threads do become very confrontational, and as I have changed how I would now vote, I don’t like to see, what appear to me, to be very demanding questions about why voters voted leave.
In essence I believe everyone has the right to vote privately and should never have to justify their vote.

maddyone Tue 29-Oct-19 10:34:35 I don't think anyone has suggested that you 'have to', I certainly haven't and can't understand why you are reluctant because I am always happy to answer appropriate questions on GN threads, whether or not I have done so before. I think it is polite to do so. I have taken no 'umbrage' why have you? I can understand why you might be reluctant to engage with someone who has been unpleasant but I haven't, I have simply asked a question because I would like to know if I should change my mind. If you can tell me how we will be better off outside the EU I will listen and take note, my mind it open.

Jabberwok Tue 29-Oct-19 11:00:27 as I haven't done any of that perhaps you would be kind enough to tell me? In a PM if you don't wish to go public. Thanks

Jabberwok and maddyone, the question asked in the title of the thread was not 'why did you vote to leave?' This question relates to the situation in 2016.

The question asked was 'what do you want from Brexit?' This question relates to the situation which obtains now.

You are certainly right maddyone when you say that in the past leavers have been asked again and again their reasons for leaving! Those same leavers have replied and given their reasons, some quite forcibly, again and again! Always to be shouted down and ridiculed! Most have left the thread, and those who are left are simply not prepared to go over and over what has been posted again and again! no doubt to be ridiculed yet again! No one has to justify to anyone else how they voted either in a referendum or a GE!

I’m past being partisan on Brexit, I accept we are 99% certain to leave the EU and I’ll make the best of it. The EU have accepted it as well but they really don’t want a cliff edge no deal exit, so the Withdrawal Agreement is written to take account of all possibilities, any changes will take place over time.

It may be a close Free Trade deal that Labour might prefer or a much harder arrangement involving lots of tariffs in both directions. Depending who with and when will determine the agreements, any ideas that we will be free of EU influence is fantasy, it’s going to get really complicated

Nonnie, a request becomes a demand when the requester writes that they’ve asked leavers, or a certain leaver, for their reasons why they voted leave, and because the leavers are sick to the back teeth of being asked to justify their position, the requester takes umbrage and says the leaver hasn’t responded to her/his request. I’m sorry Nonnie but I have seen countless demands that Leavers justify their position. My point is that they don’t have to, voting is personal and private.

I have also seen countless reasons from leavers on Gransnet as to why they voted as they did. They don’t have to justify it, neither do remainers. No one has to justify how they vote in any referendum or election.

You are wise to dip out if the thread becomes confrontational. You’ve also accepted that some threads become confrontational. I often drop out then too, especially if the thread becomes dominated by a few staunch remainers.

all the EU law passed in the 40 years we were a member have already been officially incorporated into British law through an Act of Parliament, so any subsequent changes away from EU will have to be debated and agreed before any change is made

Have you looked at the extent of the Henry VIII powers in the WAB, MOnica? These give ministers the power to change any part of legislation without any reference to Parliament.

A couple of articles here, but there are plenty more to be found.

The same criticism was made of May's Withdrawal Bill, too.
ukconstitutionallaw.org/2019/10/24/adam-tucker-a-first-critical-look-at-the-scrutiny-of-delegated-legislation-in-the-withdrawal-agreement-bill/

infacts.org/johnson-tries-power-grab-worthy-of-henry-viii/

I’ve no idea Nonnie but as I didn’t vote I’m happy to wait and see rather than attack people who don’t agree with me!

maddyone
From the responses following your earlier post, your point is well proven ?

Pantglas2 Mon 28-Oct-19 19:16:23 I would love to be mindful of your viewpoint, please tell me what it is? How will you and your family be better off if we leave the EU? Thanks

I like rich tea.

maddyone Mon 28-Oct-19 23:51:22 I must have missed the 'demands' although I have noticed many polite requests which is absolutely normal on this and other social media. Yes, I have asked friends and they have given me their answers, why wouldn't they? I simply cannot understand why anyone would come on such a thread if they didn't have an opinion to share, what is the point? Please don't assume we have all read all the threads, I haven't, I stop when they get very confrontational and irrational. This may well be why I haven't seen the reasons so I would appreciate it if you, or another would enlighten me please. I did have one response which I didn't take seriously because the poster said that the Eastern Europeans were undercutting their business. I couldn't see how that would change if we left the EU.

You may think so GG13 and if you do it is perfectly reasonable to say so in that abstract fashion.

Surely we all know that the arrogance of "Calm down dear" set out to insult and depreciate individuals and was never acceptable.

GGMK3 I think a little "calmness" on the News & Political threads is a good idea.

If we all took a deep breath, and read our posts several times before hitting "send", then maybe there would be discussion instead of the same old ridicule and rhetoric.

M0nica 08:47:33
A sensible and balanced point of view especially regarding the laws which will continue to benefit us when (or if) we leave the EU.

M0nica you seem to be describing the people who are reporting what politicians have said about the sort of society they envisage, as "ridiculous". I am not sure why you see those who report what some consider an outrageous view of the future as taking on some of the horror and disbelief you may feel for those outcomes. It seems ill thought through to blame the messenger.

It is also puerile, pompous and arrogant to repeat the "calm down" quote. Who on earth do you think you are?

Some reasons that remainers give to remain are not valid to me growstuff, but at 5he end of the day, we are both entitled to our own opinions.

growstuff just because a reason is not valid to you, doesn't necessarily mean it is not valid to someone else..........really can you not see the problem??????

Yes, they do have the right to ask questions, just as you have the right to refuse to answer.

I've never actually seen any valid reasons maddyone - certainly not on GN.

Well said maddy