Considering voting Labour?

I am willing to accept that the NHS is a reasonable employer, but whilst making all the assertions you do you are not backing it up with evidence.
What kind of evidence are you asking for? Other posters have popped on to say that their relatives or friends have chosen 0hr contracts and are happy with them
The NHS, one of the largest providers of 0hr contracts in the country, is also actively recruiting in every trust and offering permanant contracts alonside bank contracts. And people still chose bank. How is that not evidence that some people LIKE their 0hr contracts if they are chosing them in organisations that also offer alternatives?

You posts simple prove to your satisfaction that zero hours contracts work, for NHS workers, but you provide no evidence of this. as above

It doesn’t matter though, because you haven’t refuted the basic tenant that zero hours are exploitative, I have shown how some are and some aren't.

in fact you agree that they are in certain cases. yup. Address that. Tighten up. Make sure zero hours are used appropriately and not abused. Dont ban them for everyone.

I have three friends with 40 years of nursing experience each and they are on “zero hours bank contracts” . It totally meets their needs and expectations.

Of course you average rickshaw driver/parcel delivery person/care worker will easily be on £ 30,000..... or not?

If, for example, you earned £30,000 in one year, £32,000 the next and £29,0000 in a third year, the lender will calculate you average income to be around £30,000

Workers on these contracts may be viewed less favourably by lenders, especially when compared to someone on a permanent contract with a guaranteed income.

This is because a zero-hour contract worker is generally considered higher risk and more likely to miss mortgage payments in the future

notanan but that is all Labour is suggesting doing.
No they are not!
They are BANNING them. All contracts must have minimum hour requirements

This

" You can be laid off at a moments notice
When restructuring happens bank contracts tend to be exempt"

& interestingly this is actually why some people chose to give up their permanant contracts to do bank full time: no compulsary redeployments!

tidy I wouldn’t go down that road if I were you

notanan but that is all Labour is suggesting doing.

You long and detailed posts seem not to understand that point at all.

I am willing to accept that the NHS is a reasonable employer, but whilst making all the assertions you do you are not backing it up with evidence.

You posts simple prove to your satisfaction that zero hours contracts work, for NHS workers, but you provide no evidence of this.

It doesn’t matter though, because you haven’t refuted the basic tenant that zero hours are exploitative, in fact you agree that they are in certain cases.

Which is what exactly please?

I already said why

You dont even have to go off panel or to underwriters to get a mortgage that accepta a NHS bank contract. Of course it depends on how much you actually make, how long youve been there.... and there are other factors so no, there is no link to any lender saying they take ALL bank contracts. Of course not.

But plenty of people get their bank income accepted.

a typical Labour thread

Which is what exactly please?

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Nationwide is one grapefruit but there are others.

which is why mortgage lenders accept some 0hrs contracts (including NHS amongst some others) as they are a pretty safe bet!

Very interested to have a link to this, thanks.

Well done notanan2 for explaining so brilliantly and keeping cool and calm on (yes!) a typical Labour thread.
You certainly have fortitude.

There is no job security
No financial security
Depends on the sector. The NHS is not likely to be fully staffed any time soon under any government, which is why mortgage lenders accept some 0hrs contracts (including NHS amongst some others) as they are a pretty safe bet!

You can be laid off at a moments notice
When restructuring happens bank contracts tend to be exempt

You tend to be poorly paid
NHS bank staff tend to earn a little more than they would on a permanant contract if the same grade.

Your working conditions are not as good as those on ordinary contracts.
Not applicable to NHS bank staff

No holiday pay
Not true for NHS. they get an extra % added into every hour they work to cover holiday pay. It is up to them to save that % for holidays if they want, but as many have another main contract, they dont bother and just take the higher rate

No sick pay
True. But as it is fully flexible it can prevent burn out in the first place.

Generally excluded from decision making.
Well heck that is a BONUS for some bank staff: same job less politics!

Open to exploitation by bad employers.
EXACTLY. They are abused. THAT needs addressing. Tightening up. They should be used appropriately! As some are.

tidy if you read all the manifestos when they are published, you might change your mind.

Absolutely not as long as Comrade Corbyn and his cohorts are in charge. I wouldn’t vote for Johnson in a million years either and as long as the Lib Dem’s are pushing anti-Brexit without a vote I won’t support them either. Looks like being a spoiled ballot paper.........

notonan you’ve given all these laudable examples, but you seem to be entirely missing the point.

The NHS itself recognises that zero hours contracts are synonymous with job and financial security, and should only be used where absolutely essential. I.e. manage surges, cover sick leave, stand by.

Issues with zero hours contacts.

There is no job security
No financial security
You can be laid off at a moments notice
You tend to be poorly paid
Your working conditions are not as good as those on ordinary contracts.
No holiday pay
No sick pay
Generally excluded from decision making.
Open to exploitation by bad employers.

Or, the breast consultant zero hra post may focus on new fast track clinics which means less surgery and more clinics, doing extra sometimes to prevent fast track breaches and less when it's all on target. This might suit a breast consultant who is nearing retirement and wants to operate less but still work. They would have their fixed clinics plus as and when overflow clinics.

Is that enough of a response Trisher? (not sure why you thought I should have been replying to your every SINGLE word anyway, but since you asked, there you go!)

No thank you

You also cannot always locum indefinitely or on the correct payscale. They may be creating the zero hrs cobtract to retain their current locum once their contract runs out without them losing their payscale by having to go down to staff grade.

In practice they would be working exactly the same way regardless of contract.

??

I dont know

Some consultants have professorships etc elsewhere which is their primary contract but doesnt actually give them any operating time so while they have time to work at another trust, they cant for legalley weegaley reasons have 2 primary contracts.

They may also have a consultant retiring that they want to retain this way.

They may have advertised traditional contracts and had zero applications so are trying this.

Lots of possibilities. Not all of them necessarily bad.