Considering voting Labour?

Well, they talk on here about Labour spending, but fail to mention the huge spending plans that were pledged by the Tory Party in the run up to the start of this election.

Those plans were completely uncosted and Johnson and his cronies in government ensured that no debate could be held on them in the closing days of this parliament.

Nine years of austerity to be followed by ten years of spend, spend, spend, do they think we are all fools.

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Which policies of envy?

I can’t quite see what you are getting at*

WWM2, I hope you don't mind me abbreviating your name.

Labour seem to hate anyone who is wealthy. If they're not paying enough tax, I agree, they should do.

But many wealthy people DO pay tax and an awful lot of it and we need these people. They provide jobs apart from anything else.

Yesterday, a prominent Corbyn supporter said that Jeremy would ban billionaires from living here!

Not sure how he'd manage that but its a constant attack on people who've done well for themselves.

I know this is the Torygraph but business leaders are not happy with how he attacks them consistently

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/10/31/business-leaders-hit-back-jeremy-corbyn-campaign-speech-attack/

Take your pick, it's either Corbyn or Boris/Trump----with Trump pulling Boris's strings.

You will never convince people like Urmstongran who simply dismiss these policies with a ‘no thanks’

Keith Vaz, the slimy Labour MP. Why has Mr Vaz lasted this long in public life? He resigned as a minister in 2001, was suspended in 2002, named in the 2009 expenses scandal and now, even with this disgrace, Labour MPs express sorrow rather than anger. Shocking.

And a prominent rabbi who advised the Jewish people not to vote Labour. Must be a good reason for a good man to say that.

Labour is trying to pivot back to the Robin Hood themes of yesteryear: steal from the rich to pay for the welfare poor.

This time however, the Tories have a leader of sufficient intellectual heft to point out the terrible flaws in the Left’s logic.

Boris defended capitalism even during the financial crisis and has signalled that he is willing to do so again, couched in the argument that it is only by growing the economy and supporting aspiration that Britain can afford to invest in public services.

Vote Labour? Not a chance.

There's little chance of labour getting in in the constituency where I live. Didn't labour introduce university fees? Mines a protest vote so probably green. However this country desperately needs a change of direction. I think that the biggest stumbling block for a lot of people is the leader. Which as I have said before is problematic for both parties.

The worrying thing is that all the people under 35 (?) who are suddenly registering to vote are far too young to remember the awful mess made last time a truly left wing labour government were in power!

If Labour win that's when the very wealthy will transfer even more money to overseas banks.

I thought Johnson looked very uncomfortable on his walkabout yesterday, totally out of his comfort zone. His lack of rapport with the children making pumpkin lanterns was pathetic. Corbyn would have been in there helping and chatting with them.

I say vote for the young and also with your heart. Think about our situation as we age and perhaps with greater health needs and possibly even care at some stage; consider what our finances are going to look like with a surcharge on many goods coming from outside the EU.

But mostly think of our children and grandchildren and gr grandchildren. It's their future.

There are always scare stories about the LP economics, but how are the Tories going to pay for Johnson's promises? 40 new hospitals now reduced to erm... 6. They now admit that figure was over a good number of years and the public will think it's 40 almost right away. More cons from the Conservatives.

Peony have you even looked at the stats? No of course not.

dragonfly his ‘huge debt’ is nothing compared to now and, if you remember, there was a world wide recession. This bunch of numpties haven’t got that excuse.

The old saying Conservatists make the money, Labour waste it. Do you remember the note left when they handed over the country to conservatives, best of luck it's all gone. That really says it all, if you magaged your business like that you would be bankrupt, your home and you would lose it.

And restoring full power to the unions

I would rather not vote than vote for Labour.

The Jewish Labour Movement is not supporting the Labour Party in this election.

38% of PFI contracts awarded to Carillion were awarded by Labour.

WW isn’t it disheartening that people, people eligible to vote, still trot out this hearsay? Does nobody check the facts?

After a decade of ‘austerity’ we are in a far worse position financially and yet these old clichés are believed and trotted out.

I honestly despair.

Labours downfall is their leader. Just glad he has finally come off the wall at last. The things he proposes is what everyone wants, where the money comes from he won't worry too much about that. That's the worrying bit.

I seem to remember Gordon Brown handing over a huge debt among others. I am not defending the Tories but neither party seems able to handle our money wisely.

Yes, thought so. These from Office of National Statistics dragonfly . Even if it is hard to read on a tablet you can see the trend.

dragonfly which policies bankrupted the country?

oopsminty

Which policies of envy?

I can’t quite see what you are getting at

Really? I think that the National Debt is higher today than it has ever been.

We are all old enough to know we have been here before. Labour make spectacular promises and never carry them out or bankrupt the country trying to do so!

What about the ‘promises’ by Boris which are far more costly than these? Of course we know he keeps his promises don’t we?

Do or die? Dead in a ditch? If only ....

No, thank you.

He won't be able to achieve a lot of those promises. Which is fair enough. Who believes manifestos these days.

We must stop demonising the wealthy though. The top 1% do provide 27% income tax.

economia.icaew.com/news/august-2019/uk-increasingly-reliant-on-super-rich-for-tax-income

Of course we need to do more to help the poor but Corbyn's politics of envy don't sit well with me.

Being Jewish doesn't make me a fan either

You will never convince people like Urmstongran who simply dismiss these policies with a ‘no thanks’.

Why should she support us selling off our NHS to the likes of Trump? Unless of course she has the luxury of private health insurance.

Urm I’d like an answer to that if you have one please as I fail to see your logic.

Promises, promises!

I felt Cobyn had a good day yesterday with the launch of their election campaign. Staying away from Brexit in the main part of his speech was a useful idea and seemed to pay off when came to the news bulletins last night

On the other hand, i felt Johnson had a particularly poor day, as parading around hospitals when, in reality, the public are aware from what they have seen in the last nine years the Tories could not care less about the NHS.

There is a long way to go in this campaign but on first evidence, it is shaping up very similar to the 2017 election campaigns undertaken by both parties.