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Whitewavemark2 Fri 01-Nov-19 07:57:19

Here are what Labour plans to do to help you decide whether Labour is right for you.

I will start to list their plans as they come out and add to them as they are announced.

Once the manifesto is published I will outline it in full for your perusal.

We will start with Brexit - just to get it out if the way.

Brexit

Negotiate a new deal within 3 months. (remember Labour has been talking to Brussels for 3 years)

People’s vote by May/June.

This vote will be legally binding. No ifs or buts.

Health

The NHS will never be up for sale

Universal Free prescriptions Not so expensive as it sounds. Remember approximately 90% of prescriptions are free at the point of use.

Social Welfare
free personal care for the elderly a very popular move. Funding will be announced next week.

Education.
end of university tuition fees - another popular move, that will please my grandson. He has opted to live at home and commute in order to keep his debt to a minimum. At the moment he will leave with at least £40K debt.

Tax

super rich avoiders/evaders will be targeted to ensure that they pay their fair share just as everyone else does

Consideration is being given to a financial transaction tax

Shorting, by hedge fund managers has meant that they are betting against our country and making millions - disaster capitalism. Labour proposes that these transactions should have a tax attached to them.

Employment

zero hours contracts many employers are getting vastly wealthy at their workers expense who are being exploited and effectively being paid less than the legal minimum wage level. Labour therefore proposes-

guaranteed minimum number of hours of work a week this will allow zero hours contract workers a semblance of normality and stability, and give them the chance to plan their lives.

minimum wage £10

Environment and Global Warming

Children are now growing up in our cities with reduced lung capacity due to the pollution emanating from various sources.

green new deal Labour proposes to set a target of net zero carbon by the 2030’s

Following the earthquakes
Labour will * immediately ban fracking*

Housing

Landlords are going to be encouraged to ensure there is more affordable housing. Councils and town planners are to be given more enforceable powers.

Slum landlords will be banned.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 15-Nov-19 11:55:03

Proportion of properties connected to full fibre broadband:
??98%
??97%
??10%

No wonder the Tories don't want to talk about Labour's plan for everyone to get connected by 2030 - their record is pitiful!

Violettham Fri 15-Nov-19 11:53:21

Does anyone really believe that any of these promises will be kept. Personally I do not believe any of them. I am very old and have voted in every election since I was 18. None of them well maybe a few exceptions are really interested in anything but themselves I believe.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 15-Nov-19 11:33:46

Andrew Adonis
@Andrew_Adonis
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BT has been terrible at providing super fast broadband. ‘Openreach’ doesn’t reach swathes of the country & too often inaccessible & unaffordable when it does

Like public control of failing rail, this will turn a failing private oligarch into an accountable public service

Whitewavemark2 Fri 15-Nov-19 11:32:14

I work in broadband. The monopoly Openreach has over our the network is ridiculous & a pain for customers. We currently have a tiered internet which excludes the poor & has others paying too much for inconsistent quality. Labour nationalisation will benefit the public & economy.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 15-Nov-19 11:30:12

JPCampbellBiz
@JP_Biz
The European Commission has approved, under State aid rules, €2.6bn of public subsidy for the Irish National Broadband Plan. The Commission concluded that the scheme's positive effects on competition outweigh potential negative effects brought about by public intervention.

notanan2 Fri 15-Nov-19 11:02:05

"But links copy and paste perfectly, notanan."

Oh wow y'think?????
Geeee news to me
hmm

notanan2 Fri 15-Nov-19 11:01:01

Really I don't think you can condemn Labour for misrepresenting the realities.

Why not?

So because another party didnt fact check we cannot fact check labour????

This dogmatic attitude that labour supporters have towards and criticism or dissent is frankly scary!

MaizieD Fri 15-Nov-19 10:59:27

There is a table but it doesnt copy & paste well

But links copy and paste perfectly, notanan.

I'd like to see the original source for myself please, if it's not too much bother.

trisher Fri 15-Nov-19 10:55:13

Would that be the same bus that promised money to the NHS when we left the EU notanan2 ? Really I don't think you can condemn Labour for misrepresenting the realities.

notanan2 Fri 15-Nov-19 10:34:17

They're throwing welsh women and NHS staff under a bus with this one and if you DARE to question these labour "facts" you are told you hate thd NHS! Only LABOUR voters care about the NHS...

Nicole0134 Fri 15-Nov-19 10:33:07

Can someone explain the Labour policy on inheritance? My husband and I have worked bloody hard for what we've got (and still are) and if we are lucky enough that it's not all used up on care home fees, I'd quite like my children and grandchildren to benefit from our hard work and careful spending/saving. I get the feeling Jezza and his mate John McD think that's unfair?

notanan2 Fri 15-Nov-19 10:30:47

“Record long waiting times for breast cancer care is just one more piece of heart breaking evidence that you can’t trust Boris Johnson and his Tories with the NHS." labour.org.uk/press/breast-cancer-waiting-times-are-at-their-worst-since-records-began-jonathan-ashworth-responds/

Using women's lives to lie.
Dispicable
Have a word with you welsh colleagues if you care so much about women's lives!

If they cared about NHS and NHS staff they wouldnt be implying they were failing all round when they are actually doing a good job at meeting targets!

lemongrove Fri 15-Nov-19 10:29:14

The health service is Wales under Labour has been dire, there is enough info on that subject if anyone is interested enough to look it up.

lemongrove Fri 15-Nov-19 10:27:51

Yes, they could pay for it?! So easy to say, isn’t it? Taxing the likes of Google? You think that will be easy?!
It’s a crazy idea that will never be implemented, along with banning private schools and other ideas.

notanan2 Fri 15-Nov-19 10:25:49

14-day / Two-week wait'

England meets the standard for their country on the percentage of patients first seen by a specialist within two weeks of urgent GP referral for suspected cancer.[1]

'Two-week wait' supports early diagnosis as spotting cancer early is important for improving survival, so it is important that patients with potential cancer symptoms are referred promptly.

'31-day wait'

England, Scotland and Northern Ireland meet the standard for their country on the percentage of patients that receive their first cancer treatment within 31 days of a decision to treat, while Wales does not meet the standard for their country.[1-4]

The speed at which patients receive their first treatment can have a positive outcome on their clinical outcome, so it is important that patients with cancer symptoms are treated promptly.

'62-day wait'

England, Scotland and Northern Ireland meet the standard for their country on the percentage of patients receiving their first definitive treatment for cancer within two months of a GP referral for suspected cancer, while Wales does not meet the standard for their country.[1-4]

The speed at which patients receive their first treatment can have a positive outcome on their clinical outcome, so it is important that patients with cancer symptoms are treated promptly.

There is a table but it doesnt copy & paste well

trisher Fri 15-Nov-19 10:24:28

lemongrove yes they could pay for it.
Free Broadband would pay dividends in stimulating the economy. It would also increase people getting into work. At present the unemployed are expected to job search on line, but they can't afford the cost. If they could have free access they would be able to search for jobs more easily.

notanan2 Fri 15-Nov-19 10:21:45

www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-professional/cancer-statistics/statistics-by-cancer-type/breast-cancer/diagnosis-and-treatment

So women are potentially dying under Welsh labours running of NHS wales who would survive in eng/ni/sld ..... labour is using womens lives to lie with statistics!

trisher Fri 15-Nov-19 10:21:04

That's funny Urmstongran the French and the Germans seem to have publicly owned railways. Why shouldn't we?

lemongrove Fri 15-Nov-19 10:19:40

WWM2 leaving aside all the practical considerations about
Nationalising ( the cost,the other companies like gigaclear who would go to the wall...and what about shareholders...money for pensions etc) do Labour really think they can pay for it all (free broadband) by taxing the likes of Amazon and Google? Good luck with that !
Not that I believe it’s a serious offer anyway, it’s just another
Goody to tempt the voters, and will no doubt be called ‘an aspiration’ and pushed down the road for five or ten years (until they aren’t in power.)

Urmstongran Fri 15-Nov-19 10:18:26

*nationalisation

Urmstongran Fri 15-Nov-19 10:17:47

So Grany Nationalising water, energy and Royal Mail means Labour must be supporting Brexit - nationisation cannot be done within the EU - it contravenes their rules. The Lib Dem’s have just been on Sky News saying this.

notanan2 Fri 15-Nov-19 10:15:07

Yes the statistics documents are published on CRUK

MaizieD Fri 15-Nov-19 09:47:10

England is meeting targets
NI is meeting targets
Scotland is metting targets

Can you point us at the evidence for this, notanan? Are results for each country published separately somewhere?

notanan2 Fri 15-Nov-19 09:37:59

Labour keeps qouting damning stats about the state of the NHS in the UK.

What theyre not telling you is how much the stats are affected by the awful state of the NHS is Wales (under whose watch eh?)

Lots of labour memes going around about UK breast cancer waits being the worst since records began under cons:

England is meeting targets
NI is meeting targets
Scotland is metting targets

Labour run Wales is FAILING on ALL breast cancer targets. Badly. Very badly. Affecting the overall UK stats.

If Corbyn really cared about these failures (and the WOMEN who are dying as a result) he wouldn't missuse the statistics like this and would be being a LEADER and challenging his colleagues in Wales about this!

Grany Fri 15-Nov-19 09:02:48

@UKLabourRadlett

"A world class health service, that’s our plan & that’s our pledge in the #GE19
Who'll pay for it?
✅ Google
✅ Amazon
✅ Facebook
✅ The Top 5%
.. and the £110 billion that's been given away to the richest and wealthiest throughout austerity.."
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@labourlewis
#LabourNHSRescue