Considering voting Tory?

Those who are unable to work through illness or disability (physical or mental) should of course be able to claim benefits. As should those who have lost their jobs should be able to claim whilst looking for employment.

Benefits should be a safety net, not a lifestyle choice, and there are definitely people who have chosen benefits over work.

I listened to the actual speech in which Johnson said the things that were quoted out of context in the post up thread. What he said is certainly open to a different interpretation from the one apparently dominant on this thread.

You will be shouted down, opal, by people who cannot see things from any perspective but their own. Nuances aren't allowed on this kind of thread. Hey ho.

Even the Archbishop of Canterbury has warned in "a quiet resurgence of the seductive language of 'deserving' and 'undeserving' poor"

You have been brainwashed Opal. The reason we have an increasingly uniform system is because it should not be down to one or two people to decide when they could be either themselves, just not in want.

The cruel language used by those who think cruelty will cure poverty has been brought back from Victorian time by the Brexit Tories. With only one thing on their minds - how to make themselves rich no matter who suffers it could be you one day but I am sure you would see yourself as deserving if it was.

Of course there are deserving and undeserving poor GGMK3, always has been since time immemorial, always will be. I'm not claiming to be the one that should decide, but I AM entitled to my opinion, based on my knowledge and experience of dealing with people from all walks of life during my career.

you would see that I said that genuinely poor people should be supported

But you, with your attitude of deserving and undeserving poor but no knowledge or training, should not be the one to decide Opal

"What about somebody who has done everything in a sensible and responsible way, but is hit by circumstances beyond his or her control? Somebody who has always paid taxes and never wasted money on alcohol and cigarettes?"
If you had bothered to PROPERLY read my post, growstuff, you would see that I said that genuinely poor people should be supported and provided with adequate benefits. My issue is with people that, through their own choice, have never worked, have always claimed benefits and won't help themselves to improve their standard of living. And I think you'll find that's the case with the vast majority of hard-working people in this country. Nothing new there. You are deliberately mis-interpreting my posts, and you know it.

"BTW opal I wouldn't mind betting that I, as an individual, have paid more taxes than you have during your life." I really don't understand 1) why you think this is the case, and 2) how it is relevant to the topic. Or are you saying that those who pay more tax are superior to those who have paid less? Really? OK, let's have that conversation, growstuff.

I think Boris is too intelligent to go along with what Trump wants.

A 2:1 from Oxford after that education. I doubt he's as clever as he likes to think. Add that to the fact that Johnson will do what benefits Johnson not what benefits the country so you really cannot be sure can you.

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Spot on We need real change

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I had a look at that businessinsider article. As expected, that is not the original source of Johnson's words. There are even inconsistencies between the title BI gives to its article and what it says in the body.

gg13 you are right education is indeed key.

Education starts from birth, which is why Sure Start is so vital.

By the child gets to primary school without this early intervention, it is considered too late.

Thanks, growstuff.

BTW opal I wouldn't mind betting that I, as an individual, have paid more taxes than you have during your life.

I noticed that GrannyGravy. People like that could really do with being served a dose of reality.

I'd say it to your face, if you said that to me opal.

Oops premature post.

The discussion regarding young mothers with multiple children emanates from a post by Opal-

Another fact (again, I'll look up the stats later) … The majority of children in single parent households have a parent in her (usually) 30s, who has been in a stable relationship.

The number of children in families with 3+ children is tiny.

growstuff you are correct.

WWMK2 Education is key as stated in my previous post.

I'll look for the stats when I have time, but it's obviously escaped some posters' attention that teenage pregnancies have been falling for years.

Baggs The source of the quote:

www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-said-britain-poorest-chavs-losers-criminals-addicts-burglars-2019-11?r=US&IR=T