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Whitewavemark2 Fri 01-Nov-19 10:05:33

If you want our NHS to be ended and replaced by a private health scheme then this is where your vote should go.

The NHS is for sale if the Tories win. You won't take it from me? Take it from former Tory Prime Minister John Major.

"The NHS would be as safe as a pet hamster in the presence of a hungry python if Boris Johnson, Michael Gove & Iain Duncan-Smith rose to power following Brexit."

Ngaio1 Mon 25-Nov-19 11:44:14

If Jeremy Corbyn becomes Prime Minister the ship (UK) will sink. No one could be as bad as he.

Urmstongran Mon 25-Nov-19 11:41:07

Okay I’ll bite GGmk3 It would be good to see the reasons why rather than reasons why you shouldn't vote elsewhere. Just one positive reason that doesn't mention another party or member of another party

The last 10y have been pretty dire with stupid austerity measures. But that period is officially over now.

I will vote for Boris because he promises to deliver Brexit and

varian Mon 25-Nov-19 10:59:06

The elite dining club behind £130m+ donations to the Tories that enjoys direct access to Boris Johnson has given more than £130 million to the Conservative Party since 2010.

More than 80% of funds raised by the Conservatives for the general election so far has come from the secretive Leader’s Group. For the past eighteen months, the Tories have failed to honour a pledge to publish details of the controversial club, after previous scandals.

Labour shadow cabinet office minister Jon Trickett has written to Conservative chairman James Cleverly calling for “much greater transparency in how the Conservative Party handles its political donations and relationships with rich and powerful elites”.

The Leader’s Group, which has included wealthy individuals linked to Russia, the fossil fuel industry and climate denial, is open only to those prepared to give the Conservatives at least £50,000 a year. In return, they receive regular private dinners, lunches and drinks receptions with the prime minister and other senior Tory figures, including leading cabinet ministers.

OpenDemocracy’s in-depth analysis of this top donors’ club has found that the Tory party is increasingly dependent on a handful of funders involved in finance and, particularly, the hedge fund industry, with many of the party’s pro-EU donors fleeing since 2016.

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-the-elite-dining-club-behind-130m-donations-to-the-tories/

jura2 Tue 19-Nov-19 10:58:03

Anyone who believes that the NHS is NOT on the table- really needs to think hard, again

www.facebook.com/ledbydonkeys/videos/777827712662361/

Whitewavemark2 Tue 19-Nov-19 09:41:41

lemon and looked what they have done so far.

NHS into decline a s set to continue

Child poverty steeply rising.

One shudders at what is ahead.

lemongrove Tue 19-Nov-19 09:04:53

Yes, I heard it was turned down ( quite rightly...otherwise where would it end?)
Conservatives are increasing their lead over Labour.

Urmstongran Tue 19-Nov-19 07:24:42

The debate tonight should be worth watching. Last I heard La Swinson wanted in. Someone said yesterday she’d been to court and her legal application to take part has been turned down?

Whitewavemark2 Tue 19-Nov-19 07:10:55

Since 2014 every area has gone into reverse in the NHS.

That year the NHS could no longer cope with the level of cuts the Tories had imposed on it since it came to office in 2010. Every year since has shown a worsening of all the figures. Nothing Johnson is headlining will make any difference, unless he follows the Labour governments plan between 1997 and 2010, when funding was raised by 50% and real and life giving progress was made.

There is no doubt that if this continues the age of mortality figures will show a reverse as well.
Be prepared for your children’s and grandchildren’s generation to die younger.

Vote Tory and don’t give a stuff.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 19-Nov-19 06:44:21

Child poverty. Vote Tory don’t give a stuff.

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/children-in-poverty-in-working-households-has-soared-under-tory-policies-new-study-reveals/18/11/

varian Mon 18-Nov-19 19:13:40

He certainly did nothing to prove it when he was an appalling mayor of London wasting umpteen millions of public money on vanity projects..

GracesGranMK3 Mon 18-Nov-19 19:09:14

What makes people believe he is so intelligent. He got a 2:1 at Oxford when he was one of the privileged few. He would find there would be a lot more competition these days. He also had a very privileged education which got him to Oxford. Does that make him intelligent? He certainly seems to have done nothing to prove it as am MP or PM.

varian Mon 18-Nov-19 13:07:04

I have heard a theory that he uses buffoonery to disguise his intelligence but perhaps he uses his buffoonery to disguise his dimness.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 18-Nov-19 12:53:36

I notice that he had to be helped by the Chairman to reply to a couple of questions.

He is pretty dim isn’t he?

GracesGranMK3 Mon 18-Nov-19 12:40:41

I have just watched Johnson speaking to the CBI. The minor point - who ever said Johnson was a good speaker? The major point -what is their political strategy? He basically read out a miss-mash of hand-outs that had no cohesive policy behind it. Contrary to this, Corbyn, for whom I had no expectations as as a speaker sounded fluent and knowledgeable.

With 60% of the country saying they are in favour of the government making "moderate" or radical changes to the way the British economy is run (IPPR polling) why would anyone vote for the continued unplanned chaos of the ERG Tories?

Grany Mon 18-Nov-19 08:12:06

@JonAshworth

This general election is about the future of our NHS and what the Tories have done to it.

This is what frontline NHS staff are saying

If you care about the NHS Please don't vote conservative

twitter.com/JonAshworth/status/1196336704933765120?s=20

trisher Fri 15-Nov-19 15:40:04

lemongrove fortunately Corbyn has a long record of acting in the interests of his constituents with no thought of political advancement, something Boris really can't claim.

lemongrove Fri 15-Nov-19 13:22:49

Tom Mills...hmmmm, any chance he is a Remainer then?

trisher yes, that’s politicians for you, and I expect Corbyn is prepared to sacrifice anyone or anything to become PM.

trisher Fri 15-Nov-19 11:20:57

I would imagine Boris Johnson is prepared to sacrifice anyone and anything just to stay as PM.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 15-Nov-19 07:43:59

So many one nation traditional Tories think like this, and have the courage to act on it!

Tom Mills

Working on an open letter to the Telegraph explaining why I cannot in good conscience vote Conservative next month. If you'd like to add your name get in touch.

varian Thu 14-Nov-19 17:50:16

Tory MPs fear Boris Johnson ready to sacrifice southern seats.

Conservative MPs who are retiring at the general election fear Boris Johnson is prepared to sacrifice Conservative seats in southern England with a party manifesto aimed at winning over Labour voters in the Midlands and the north.

Keith Simpson, who is stepping down as Conservative MP for Broadland in Norfolk, said it was “almost impossible” to frame a manifesto that would win over Leave-voting Labour constituencies in the north while fending off a challenge by the anti-Brexit Liberal Democrat party in the south.

Another retiring Tory MP said that colleagues in southern seats who were fighting the December 12 election feared they would be “collateral damage” in Mr Johnson’s strategy to secure a parliamentary majority by seizing seats in the north with a pro-Brexit, big-spending manifesto.

The MP added that during a meeting with Mr Johnson it became clear the prime minister had “written off a lot of the seats where you risk upsetting metropolitan sensitivities”.

But Mr Johnson’s team said the manifesto, expected to be published in the last week of November, would not just be aimed at wooing Labour constituencies in the north, but also defending wealthier Tory seats with small majorities in the south.

“The strategy is very different to last time,” said one ally of Mr Johnson. “At the 2017 election we didn’t have a defensive strategy.”

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At that election Theresa May also made a big push to win Labour seats in the north, only to see the Tory vote collapse in Remain-voting areas in the south. She won Mansfield from Labour but ended up losing Canterbury to the main opposition party.

The team writing the Conservative manifesto, led by Munira Mirza from the Downing Street policy unit, has a simple mantra: “Don’t repeat the mistakes of 2017.”

www.ft.com/content/abcd207e-055b-11ea-a984-fbbacad9e7dd

Grany Wed 13-Nov-19 19:59:47

15m
I'd forgotten about this.

If anybody doesn't understand how BJ and his mates keep getting more money, this documentary ? explains everything.

Tory @sajidjavid used to work with 'CDOs' in the City of London.

If you don't know what those are - and how they contributed to the financial crash - just watch this excellent explanation.

No wonder he won't debate @johnmcdonnellMP

twitter.com/Donwyn6/status/1194701384211476481?s=20

Grany Wed 13-Nov-19 19:43:05

@Rachael_Swindon

1h
"If the NHS is on its knees it just makes the idea of selling it off even easier". This was brilliant from
@JonathanPieNews
last year, and if you look at his pinned tweet, you might be able to see him live

twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/1194683020235747329?s=20

Grany Wed 13-Nov-19 19:26:04

2h
Boris Johnson's General Election Campaign so far:

• Booed out of a Cambridge hospital
• Locked kids in a room at a school in Sutton & Ashfield
• Run out of flood hit South Yorkshire

Under scrutiny, or real people, the truth emerges.

varian Wed 13-Nov-19 18:34:29

Dominic Cummings said Tory MPs do not care about poor people or NHS

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/30/dominic-cummings-tories-do-not-care-about-poor-people-or-the-nhs

GracesGranMK3 Wed 13-Nov-19 11:55:04

There is a great difference in the purchase of private services, although that needs careful thought and the privatisation of the medical service with a second-tier health service.

The first question is if someone wasn't making a profit from that service where would the money go. If they are providing either a poorer service or lower wages it is not good value for money. If they are able to cut costs because of their buying power, it may be.

It has certainly crept up and it needs to be properly monitored. Just because it is there does not mean it is the best way to do it. I have seen enough about the almost completely privatised care industry to ask many questions.

Again with prescriptions - it needs an overhaul. It is huge but it still needs doing.

The end of all this is an Australian style insurance system. The Tories have talked about and admired it. Just as they have talked about and admired the points system for emigration. They are lazy. This is complex. We are not Australia.