Tory election not going well is it?

The KB case is still full of contradictions. I hope Ofcom do an investigation as hopefully that will establish the facts. I’ll carry on however not believing a word James C says without checking it against various sources. Don’t know anything about KB as I haven’t got Sky.

I suppose if you expect your politicians to lie to the extent that Boris et al have been then it’s easy to excuse their behaviour.

Do you expect the PM to lie to the Queen?

I expect politicians to lie, but not broadcasters or posters on GN ( although I will expect it now.)

And yet you’re still not comparing them?!

I’ll say again - the worst set of lies has come from our PM and his acolytes, but I suppose if there’s a culture of lies and deceit coming from the top then there’s a real risk it will permeate down.

Am not into comparing lies/ fake news ...

Short-term memory issues? That is exactly what you did and why you got the reply.

I think it’s clear from my post ( other than pedantry) what I meant.....that it’s even worse when presenters do it, and not what we expect of them.

That’s odd - your post seemed to suggest a ranking in that it was bad enough when posters leap in with falsehoods, quite another when interviewers were doing it.

I’m sure no-one would argue that the PM shouldn’t be lying to the country or the queen and I’m happy to rank that as the most serious level of lying.

Am not into comparing lies/ fake news SirC there is too much of it around, and it’s getting worse on social media.

And worse still when politicians lie to the whole country and the Queen

It’s one thing ( and bad enough) when posters on social media leap in with falsehoods, but quite another if radio and tv interviewers are doing it.

Exactly Callistomen ( that’s on the trending news anyway)
It may have been a mix up about studios as he was supposed to be doing an interview there, but not with Birley.
When there is so much fake news and info being passed around, I do hope, that the truth will come out.

Maw I thought that it has been reported that James Cleverley was never booked in to appear on Sky News?
Kay Burleigh could being investigated by Ofcom over the claim.

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WWM2 - to pick up on your comment about Johnson's launch looking well-supported when the room was almost empty - do you think he's following Trump's approach? Waving, cheering supporters serving as a backdrop!
Didn't work in his favour when be tried that technique at the police college, did it?

I have to say reading up further about Alun Cairns has left me a bit ? - there is a deeper issue there about the state of the Welsh Conservatives which anyone who is one should be concerned about. But good news for other parties.

I saw that Urm well we are both on the money there and there’s no problem is there in posting the truth about what happens during the ride. I doubt any individual day will be equally bad for all parties but as long as posts are truthful..So far as I’m concerned, I try to be careful about that, particularly when it’s something that I want to be true. It’s easy to triangulated a ‘fact’ before posting.

This rollercoaster has 5 weeks to go

I just posted exactly the same words at the same time as you onanother political thread!
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Labour election not going well either, is it?

So far everyone agrees about the appalling start for the Tories. It seems to be about the man with no plan. They seem to be cocking-up just as much as they have cocked up in the last nine years.

I don't agree with you about Labour and we are only just beginning to see where the smaller parties are saying. I will keep my counsel on all but the Tories who are patently weak and waffly at the moment.

Urm not a good start to the day. Who’s going to disagree? I’m not going to plead for balance as you did yesterday. This rollercoaster has 5 weeks to go and all parties will have ups and downs. Calling that out is absolutely fine as long as facts are posted on which opinions are based.

Labour election not going well either, is it?

Yesterday was certainly not a great day for the Tory campaign was it?
To paraphrase Michael Deacon in the DT, to the untrained eye it may have looked like a cavalcade of howlers and own goals.
Well, yesterday a Cabinet minister resigned an hour before the Prime Minister’s first campaign speech. But perhaps that was just to distract from the humiliation of Tory chairman James Cleverly on Sky News.
Which itself was perhaps designed to distract from a disastrous interview on Radio 4 by Andrew Bridgen. Which in turn was a pretty useless attempt to distract from a disastrous interview about Grenfell by Jacob Rees-Mogg. Which in turn might have been hoped to distract from the Government’s failure to build any of the starter homes it promised. Which in its turn was perhaps intended distract from the Government’s refusal to publish the report on electoral interference by Russia. Which in turn .…
The point is: everything’s under control, and there’s absolutely no need to worry.
Shortly after accepting the resignation of Alun Cairns as Welsh secretary, the Prime Minister made a statement outside No 10. The aim was to jump-start the Tory campaign, but

ruby what boot is that?

Boot on the other foot this morning. That's elections for you. Always unexpected things happening on all sides. It's a good reason not to go for a postal vote; who knows what will happen on the final day.

What I find incredibly difficult is to find a policy that can be sensibly talked about that isn’t a lie.

I can’t remember such a dismal start.

Perhaps the manifesto will buck things up.

Johnson launch

Has anyone had the chance to compare what appears to be a very crowded room to the actual shots not shown on tv?

The room was 80% empty with the majority of the audience composing the media and minders.

That was embarrassing.