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Corbyn at the Cenotaph and lays a wreath.

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GracesGranMK3 Sun 10-Nov-19 11:18:54

Not news or politics? Neither was the rubbish we have just seen elsewhere.

Gonegirl Mon 11-Nov-19 15:37:12

haired

Gonegirl Mon 11-Nov-19 15:36:54

Of course a 5'1 slightly bent over grey heared old lady could easily be mistaken for Trump. hmm

Gonegirl Mon 11-Nov-19 15:34:59

^ Like drawn to like I suppose.^

Yes, I am the very epitome of Donald Trump. grin

GracesGranMK3 Mon 11-Nov-19 15:34:39

How can you lay a wreath upside down anyway? I think it looked right with the white flowers at the top, like he laid it.

If you click on the link in my post above yours Gonegirl you will see the white flowers are on the wreath in the old footage, not yesterday's.

Gonegirl Mon 11-Nov-19 15:33:16

They probably have a bit of archive material at the ready for all of it, just in case anyone falls over, or something.

GracesGranMK3 Mon 11-Nov-19 15:30:41

Oh for Gods sake! Why shouldn't we have a Prime Minister with a bit of Character about him? At least wherever he goes - EU/America, people seem to like him.

How about the man who, very politely but firmly asked Johnson to "get out of my town". There was also the elderly lady who told the journalist not to mention his name to her. She said he was a * *. She seemed perfectly normal. As for Trump liking him - would you really wave that flag? Like drawn to like I suppose. Terrible man. Oh, and other countries in general - how many people do you know? I have never heard a good word spoken about him from those I know.

Gonegirl Mon 11-Nov-19 15:30:11

How can you lay a wreath upside down anyway? I think it looked right with the white flowers at the top, like he laid it.

Fuss over nothing.

I don't think the BBC was being biased. Just wanted the whole film to look good.

GracesGranMK3 Mon 11-Nov-19 15:25:16

I'm actually not bothered about Johnson putting his wreath down upside down; we all make mistakes. I am very concerned about the BBC using old footage to cover the fact, especially during an election.

One person on Twitter replied: "Impossible to believe. The BBC filmed the Remembrance Day Service & broadcast it live yesterday. To think that anyone could believe one of the World's preeminent broadcasters could make such basic mistake is contemptible. It's like [Match of the Day] broadcasting LFC v MCFC 2018 game yesterday."

However, Rob Burley, the editor of BBC's Live Political Programmes - which includes The Andrew Marr Show, The Andrew Neil Show, and Politics Live, said: "Conspiracy theories flying about this. Truth is less exciting: a production error. My only insight from a year working on the show 10 years ago is that sometimes when a team has been up all night small errors can occur. It's a gruelling job, an amazing team & they've apologised."

Matt Bailey, however, was unimpressed by the explanation.

He said: "A production mistake... Where you mixed up yesterday's VT with one from 2016 that you had to search for in the archives? Yes, that's very plausible. Thank you for making it clear..."

The group including "The Andrew Marr Show, The Andrew Neil Show, and Politics Live" have always seemed to have a right-wing bias to me, so no surprise.

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/bbc-old-footage-cover-pm-s-wreath-blunder-production-mistake-1-6368809?fbclid=IwAR2_MLbD9p7yKIhedlkLUqUlHBZrHB8jPKCUz4ZJCaj7wiShGSifLmoEP3Q

growstuff Mon 11-Nov-19 15:18:22

I'm all for a bit of character, but not if it's obnoxious and amoral.

suziewoozie Mon 11-Nov-19 15:16:12

GoneG well that’s all right then

MaizieD Mon 11-Nov-19 15:16:12

I prefer my PM to have principles and tell the truth, thank you.

Trump loves him because he's a soulmate.

The EU is polite.

Gonegirl Mon 11-Nov-19 15:13:59

Oh for Gods sake! Why shouldn't we have a Prime Minister with a bit of Character about him? At least wherever he goes - EU/America, people seem to like him.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 11-Nov-19 15:10:48

And this.

Patrick Howse

As a former producer on BBC Breakfast, I think you need to explain this more fully. The edit avoided showing the Prime Minister placing his wreath upside down on the Cenotaph. He was also dishevelled. It's not your job to make the PM look good.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 11-Nov-19 15:07:16

Clear confirmation of the BBCs bias.

BBC Breakfast
@BBCBreakfast

This morning on the programme we incorrectly used footage from a Remembrance Day service that was not filmed yesterday.

This was a production mistake and we apologise for the error.

Howard Goodall
@Howard_Goodall

I've worked in TV for 40 years. The idea that a 'production error' makes a neat cut at exactly the point where the prime minister takes his wreath and cuts back neatly afterwards, inserting 3-year-old footage of that exact same moment is insulting & laughable. Tell the truth.

grapefruitpip Mon 11-Nov-19 15:02:12

I would have thought with the rescources available, a smart, professional appearance could be achieved by one and all.

jura2 Mon 11-Nov-19 14:45:57

And if you look at the footage of Johnson in 2016- his hair is well cut and tamed- so it can be done without tons of brylcreem.

jura2 Mon 11-Nov-19 14:45:15

Calendargirl '' Yes, he might have looked better with his coat buttoned up, but was probably more comfy with it loose. As for his hair, that is how he has it, what would we say if he came with it all flat and Brylcreemed?''

well, I tend to agree. I like to judge people over their deeds rather than their appearance. And yet- the outcry and hypocrisy is re the double standards. The massive criticism of Corbyn last year wearing a smart anorak in very cold weather last year by those who now say ... what you said above.

trisher Mon 11-Nov-19 14:19:36

Unbelievable!

MarthaBeck Mon 11-Nov-19 14:19:00

I hate some of the snide remarks about politicians priorities in respect of the remembrance service. The lies about JC in our media have been appalling, at least he was not the politician who put the wreath down upside down.

varian Mon 11-Nov-19 13:56:36

The Brexit Broadcasting Corporation is just doing what it has done for years, ever since it started to promote liar Farage on QT.

jura2 Mon 11-Nov-19 13:52:40

exactly- nonsense. So the question is- did the BBC deliberately do it- or were they instructed to do so and by whom.

varian Mon 11-Nov-19 13:50:11

The BBC have released a statement saying it was a “production mistake” to use a 3 year old video of Boris Johnson to cover up the mess he made of himself at the Centotaph yesterday. Question: How do you make a mistake like that? Did the 3 year old footage sneak out of archives?

twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1193866665932537858?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

jura2 Mon 11-Nov-19 13:41:05

'"Corbyn" and "statesmanlike" don't belong in the same sentence.'

well, Johnson's ineptitude, contradictions, lies and more lies...
do help make Corbyn look and sound statesmalike in so many ways. As for the BBC making a 'simple mistake' by showing the 2016 footage of Johnson at the cenotaph in 2016, looking much fitter and better turned out, not stepping out of line all at the wrong time and then laying the reef upside down - I don't believe a word of it. They were probably told to do it by Cummings and co.

And I am no fan of Corbyn either.

GracesGranMK3 Mon 11-Nov-19 12:15:15

Ah ha. You really have done Low-down Leavers/ERG Tory propaganda training haven't you Opal. First you try weaponising the remembrance of the deaths of those who fought, and then you also seem to have learnt the trick of doctoring something to make it appear to be the opposite. At the very least that is unethical, at worst, such as with Kier Starmer, it is a lie. What I said is:

"Today is Armistice day. A day when the guns fell silent. That could be a hint."

I hate to think all Tories are liars - but they keep proving that is just the case.

GracesGranMK3 Mon 11-Nov-19 11:58:13

And yet you start a political thread on the same day.

Which political thread did I start today, Opal?