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The disconnect

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MaizieD Sun 17-Nov-19 16:06:53

I've lifted this from Richard Murphy's blog:


A summary of the IPPR polling is as follows:

60% are in favour of the next government making “moderate” or “radical” changes to the way the British economy is run, while only 2% said the government should leave the economy as it was. Those in favour of change split between 29% who backed moderate policies and 31% who wanted a more radical agenda.

64% support more investment by government in combatting climate change, including investment in renewables and insulating homes, with only 9% opposed

61% support increasing taxes on those earning more than £100,000 a year, or approximately the top 2.5% of earners. Only 15% oppose.

62% support increases in the taxation of capital gains (28% supporting higher taxes on capital gains than on income, and 34% supporting equalising the two), with only 11% supporting the status quo (in which income from work is taxed more highly than capital gains).

57% support increased regulation of banks and financial companies, with the same number believing they presently “focus on short-term profits over the interests of the economy as a whole”. Only 7% oppose more regulation, and only 9% believe banks and financial companies act in the interest of the economy as a whole.

52% support stricter regulation of working conditions for the self-employed and contract workers, with only 12% opposed.

45% support devolving more powers over investment and planning to the English regions and the devolved administrations, with only 9% opposed.

59% believe the economy is currently run in the interests of the wealthiest people or big companies

56% believe the gap between the wealthy and the rest of the population has widened too much - including 40% of Conservative voters.

Three in five people (61%) think public spending cuts have damaged public services, including 53 per cent of Conservative supporters.

Workers having shares in the companies they work for gained 54% support, much of it from the 43% of Conservative voters.
There was even more support for a requirement on companies to share their profits with workers more generously (66%) and to have worker representatives in the boardroom, also 66%.


A couple of charts illustrating how various demographics responded are on the blog

The point of this post is in the link.

How can people want all this yet still vote for the tory party that has no intention of implementing any of it?

Urmstongran Sun 17-Nov-19 16:13:20

Maybe because Corbyn & his team scare me to death with their Marxist views and La Swinson (a) is Undemocratic and (b) as a Leaver I couldn’t vote for her.

Brexit = Boris it seems!

midgey Sun 17-Nov-19 16:15:37

Urmstongran I am pretty much with you but I can’t vote Tory either.

Urmstongran Sun 17-Nov-19 16:19:06

Just hold your nose this once midgey to do it for Brexit?

lemongrove Sun 17-Nov-19 16:22:13

Just what Urmstongran says....
It’s a poor choice of leader all round, but Johnson is still preferable to Corbyn for most people.
That and a clearly unfeasible amount of spending/ nationalising etc combined with the thought of a PM (Corbyn) who has never in his life put the interests of the UK first and has had links to dodgy groups from all over the place
......that’s what Joe Public sees.

MawB Sun 17-Nov-19 16:30:23

Rocks and hard places, or devils and deep blue seas spring to mind hmm

EllanVannin Sun 17-Nov-19 17:17:53

Better the devil you know ?
We all know Corbyn along with his policies etc. but does anyone really know Boris ? He doesn't know himself half the time though it's obvious he's only going to look after his own !

growstuff Sun 17-Nov-19 18:56:04

Cough cough cough!

You really are having a laugh lemongrove. I doubt if Johnson has ever done anything in his life which didn't have himself at the top of the priorit y list. As for dodgy friends ……...

Pantglas2 Sun 17-Nov-19 19:02:36

MawB got it right!

lemongrove Sun 17-Nov-19 19:13:23

No laugh growstuff ( if only!) I was answering the OP about the disconnect.
The public know that Corbyn was friendly with IRA top dogs at one time, also with Hamas and other groups that the UK does not look kindly upon( quite rightly.)
Johnson may or may not have dodgy friends but certainly none in terrorist groups.

pinkquartz Sun 17-Nov-19 19:17:04

scary is the word that comes up a lot with Corbyn,
A friend said that he seems to be handing the election to the Tories on a plate.
He won't even say if he wants to leave the EU or not.

How can any voter work with that! confused

growstuff Sun 17-Nov-19 21:52:11

I'm not disagreeing with that pinkquartz. I have a number of issues with Corbyn. However, when comparing Johnson and Corbyn, doing anything for his country and having dodgy friends aren't two issues where Johnson has the moral edge.

growstuff Sun 17-Nov-19 21:52:49

PS. I don't think Corbyn is scary.

Ginny42 Sun 17-Nov-19 22:04:39

BJ has plenty of friends in Russia - allegedly. I don't think Corbyn has told as many lies as BJ if any.

Have the Tories said anything yet about how their spending promises will be funded? They seem to have a lot to say about the LP proposed funding, but I haven't seen anything about where their funding is coming from.

Dinahmo Sun 17-Nov-19 22:50:10

One political research company held a number of focus groups. They discussed Labour's policies on without mentioning the party and the majorities in each group supported them. When they were told they were Labour policies the groups decided against them.

Dinahmo Sun 17-Nov-19 22:54:00

lemongrove Joe Public sees what the right wing press tell them. I'm sure you're fed up with reading this but 80% of the press in the UK is owned by a small group of people whose businesses are based off shore.

I'm sorry but I conclude from your many posts that you are one of them.