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NHS Staffing Crisis

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grapefruitpip Sun 24-Nov-19 13:19:30

Apparently there is a shortfall caused in part by 10,000 EU nationals leaving. The remaining EU nationals are worried.

Who ever would have thought?

jura2 Sun 24-Nov-19 15:34:59

S U R P R I S E not...

And it takes a minimum of 9 years to train a GP...

Why would they stay - terrible conditions, longer hours, unable to do the job properly, much better pay elsewhere ...

they would be mad to.

grapefruitpip Sun 24-Nov-19 15:40:31

jura, the article I read was mostly about nursing staff but I'm sure you are right.

jura2 Sun 24-Nov-19 16:41:11

5 years at Uni, 1 year pre reg then 3 years compulsory GP training.

EllanVannin Sun 24-Nov-19 17:32:36

And very many are concerned about Brexit !! Extra form-filling and red-tape. Mainly those outside the EU. So unfair.

varian Mon 25-Nov-19 13:46:53

Hundreds of EU workers at Boris Johnson's local hospital fear for their future

More than 11,000 staff from EU nations have left the NHS since the vote for Brexit

Managers at Boris Johnson’s local hospital have discussed concern over the “anxiety” caused to EU national staff by Brexit, it has emerged.

The concern was recorded in minutes of a board meeting of the Hillingdon Hospitals NHS Trust earlier this year, obtained by Liberal Democrats.

It came as new figures obtained through freedom of information requests showed that at least 3,250 NHS staff from the EU have left the health service so far this year, including 1,116 nurses.

The data, based on responses from 50 NHS hospital trusts, reveal that more than 11,600 EU national staff have left the NHS in the three full years since the 2016 vote for Brexit, among whom were 4,783 nurses.

Some of the worst affected NHS trusts so far in 2019 included London North West (362 EU leavers), Oxford University Hospitals (304) and University Hospitals Bristol (203), said the Liberal Democrats.

jura2 Mon 25-Nov-19 16:39:21

Just come back from hospital where I had a minor op last week. The young surgeon was brilliant, born and educated in Berlin, German dad, French mother. He worked in a London hospital for one year and said it just was totally crazy! I mentionned I'd seen a British car in the doctors' parking bay- and he said, that is the new head of Clinic. Not busy at the cottage hospital so he called him over to come and say hello- because he wants to take French lessons with a medical slant. From Ghana- he worked 4 years in a Surrey hospital- and again- said it was sheer madness, the hours, the lack of support, equipment, etc, etc - and that the racist abuse was horrendous. Wouldn't go back there for anything- he is paid much better here, much better conditions and hours and respected. Can't blame him, for sure.

jura2 Mon 25-Nov-19 16:46:35

Piers Morgan is not left wing either for sure ... can't stand him normally, but he ain't no fool either

Nonnie Mon 25-Nov-19 16:50:53

But it will all be OK because the manifesto says so.

Hetty58 Mon 25-Nov-19 16:52:27

Way before the Brexit vote and resulting uncertainty, many newly trained doctors were choosing to work overseas. Who can blame them?:

jura2 Mon 25-Nov-19 16:55:26

BTW- I gave him the book I mentionned the other day, about a Junior Doctor, by a Junior Doctor 'this is going to hurt' - as I finished it yesterday. He will read it then pass it on the new head of Clinic.

jura2 Mon 25-Nov-19 16:58:39

Hetty58- a lot more are applying to work in the EU, and also to work in Switzerland, where conditions are so much better. The only thing stopping them is the acquisition of local language. Few UK doctors have done A'Level in a language, as they have to get A+ in sciences- so it is hard for them.

We discussed with OH the other day, that running intensive, residential, full immersion, French courses for nurses and medics would be a brilliant way to make good money currently. Thinking about putting ad in BMJ and the Lancet.

NotTooOld Mon 25-Nov-19 17:15:44

Good idea, jura. You've spotted a niche market. You could be a marriage bureau at the same time as I believe medics often marry a fellow medic. grin

jura2 Mon 25-Nov-19 17:27:07

not in this case ... other medics and nurses were not happy at all when this foreign bird who had nothing to do with the medical profession, bagged one of their junior docs! ahahaha

- but yes ;)

jura2 Mon 25-Nov-19 17:28:16

the reason they did then- was that if you work night and day and week-ends- the chance of meeting anyone else was slim to say the least. (OH worked 140 hr for 3 weeks, and 145 on the 4th week...)

mumofmadboys Mon 25-Nov-19 18:11:00

Jura your OH couldnt have worked 145 hours a week. There are 168 hrs in a week. No-one works 21 out of 24 hours let alone when you are responsible for important decisions. There is a big difference between being on call and actually working. Perhaps you meant on call.

jura2 Mon 25-Nov-19 18:16:54

Yes, on call - which when doing A&E in a busy London hospital, or obs and gynae, or cardiac ward - means working most of those hours and getting a few minutes or if you are luck an hour of two of sleep- and wolfing down food as fast as you can because you know the bleep will go any minute- that was the reality. Believe me or not - I witnessed it- lived it too.

mumofmadboys Mon 25-Nov-19 18:20:50

I was a junior hospital doctor and worked a 4 in 9 rota but my max hrs per week were 108.

mumofmadboys Mon 25-Nov-19 18:21:53

That included on call and being in and out of bed all night.

jura2 Mon 25-Nov-19 19:11:06

all I can tell you is how it was in 1970 - in SW London. I was there.

Grany Mon 25-Nov-19 20:17:38


jura2 Mon 25-Nov-19 20:41:46

It was 1 in 2, not 1 in 4.