Fed up with being promised the moon on a stick!

If you voted to leave and you're in a Labour held seat, vote Brexit perhaps? Don't spoil your paper, it's a wasted vote, and Women fought to get us it.

Did someone upthread query if there was an Independent candidate worth considering, phoenix?

We've just had a leaflet put through the door from our Independent candidate and I thought, great, perhaps I have an option here!

On reading it, I find he's somewhere to the right of Attila the Hun!

...... spoiled ballot paper ... your choice but don’t moan about who wins.
I’m fortunate, got my state pension at 60 ...... but we want equality when it suits us, sorry.

Who knows the cost of a second referendum, but what we all do know now is that the fraudulent referendum of 2016 has cost us £billions and made us a laughing stock around the world.

If you feel that all the parties standing are useless, then don't vote.

I certainly will vote and it will be for Labour.

Many people on here have moaned about the unfairness of the position the WASPI women find themselves in. Many have also complained about the dire situation with regard to the NHS, education, public transport, housing, employment, productivity, etc, etc. And now we learn that the cost of running down all our services has resulted in greater knock-on costs, since government borrowing is now far higher than it ever was.

If you want more of the same (I don't believe for a moment that the Conservatives' sudden conversion to the notion of fairness and justice will be an enduring one), then go ahead, and vote for the current government - or please yourselves and remove yourselves from the whole process and don't vote. But don't complain if you're not happy with the outcome.

If you are dissatisfied with the current government's performance, but are not persuaded by Labour, vote for one of the other parties and at least there is some hope that our public services and our infrastructure in general can be rescued, and the health and morale of our country given some chance of being restored.

Was the cost of another referendum factored in too?

The economy is wrecked at the moment - it's run entirely for the benefit of shareholders, and if BJ gets back in, what's left in the public sector (i.e. owned by us) will be sold off as well. You may disagree with Corbyn's policies (although many economists believe that we need the infrastructural investment and deprivatisation that he is proposing, not to mention tax on the big corporations that pay none) but please don't fall for the 'association with terrorists' line. This is simply not credible. If you spend your life trying to end conflict, you will have to share platforms with a few unsavoury people. The Good Friday agreement was achieved by sitting down and talking, and both Catholic and Protestant paramilitaries were visited in prison. (And remember Blair embracing Khadafi.) The fact that Corbyn politely referred to some members of Hamas as 'our friends', when he was introducing them at a peace conference hardly makes him a close associate of theirs - what should he have said? How do you prevent violence and terrorism if you never bring peopletogether and get them talking?

P.S. Was this in the manifesto or an add-on?

It came directly from the LP Manifesto. I recognise the passage because I've read it.

yggdrasil you cannot fully cost promises such as these as you cannot predict future income or what will happen with the economy.

Have you actually read the Labour Party's document on funding their manifesto?

labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Funding-Real-Change-1.pdf

Written by economists with references and reasoning for their conclusions.

If you have I'll accept your comment as being valid and apologise for doubting.

Well, my grandmother was a suffragette. So I wouldn’t dream of spoiling my ballot paper.
That would be a criminal waste to me.

If, as looks likely, the Labour Party do not win a majority, do you think the more fair minded LP members might at long last support electoral reform?

Please vote for someone! Democracy is so important - though, sadly, I will be voting against the party I most dislike and distrust - tactical voting. We need a fair voting system - then we would have no need for tactical voting and could vote for our preferred party - e.g. for many of us that might be the Greens, but in most constituencies that looks like a wasted vote in our first past the post unfair voting system. But lets vote anyway - democracy needs us to do that.

Varian
You said
"You cannot fully cost promises such as these if you cannot predict what will happen with brexit"
This may be true but in this case nobody can say anything or plan anything or have any policies at all because the sword of brexit hangs over us.

I believe that the Labour Party has done its honest best to cost all its Policies within the uncertainty of brexit and that their policies demonstrate the kind of morals and principles they have. I know Jeremy Corbin is a decent and honest man who has been very wronged by the press which is owned by tory billionaires and the BBC which has become palpably pro Johnson much to its shame.

Surely you would vote for the Party that has costed it and told you they will recompense the iniquitous meanness of the dreadful party which inflicted this terrible unfairness on you?

Especially when that party is led by a man who compulsively lies whenever he speaks and gets away with it for some incomprehensible reason*. And while he lies he also uses words dripping with racial hatred or misogyny.
*https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/18/boris-johnson-lying-media?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_TwitPane
or simply type 'Boris Johnson lies' into Twitter for updates.

OH, and voting LibDem or any other is just voting tory so forget it. Unless you are very very rich and don't give a dam about what happens to anyone else.

No, not a strange post at all barmey

I queried a new poster who did not make it plain that this was a quote from elsewhere.
Was this in the manifesto or an add-on?

Apologies if I misunderstood your post SJeffrey

Sorry should be do.

I only posted as someone said he would not to anything to help women who were betrayed.

Jeremy Corbyn is a man of his word. He is honest and does not lie. Sounds like you are not used to this sort of politician Phoenix. You will be so disappointed if you vote Johnson in.

Callistermon what a strange post, I believe they were just quoting the Labour manifesto not working as some official.

Nanny27 tells us "I would be very very afraid to leave our national security in the hands of Jeremy Corbyn."

However we should all be aware that Boris Johnson was blocked from accessing state secrets as foreign secretary because Downing Street believed he was a security risk

www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-access-to-state-secrets-was-restricted-when-he-was-foreign-secretary-2019-7?r=US&IR=T

Callistemon Mon 25-Nov-19 13:10:10
We will ensure that such an injustice can never happen again by legislating to prevent accrued rights to the state pension being changed

Are you an official Labour Party spokesperson, SJeffrey?

Is it within GNHQ rules to allow officials from political parties to post on here?
Especially in the run-up to an election?

Opinions from posters are fine but not official propaganda surely?

I could be wrong, Callistemon, but I just took that poster to be quoting from the Labour manifesto, after the claim that it wasn't in it (I have no idea if it was or not).
I know there was no formatting to suggest that, but that was how I took it.

Due to the short notice of the GE I will be unable to vote at all. As soon as I heard the date I applied for a postal vote, as I was travelling to Australia on 20th November. When I left it hadn’t arrived, and I didn’t even know who the candidates were. I have been deprived of my right to vote.

I would be very very afraid to leave our national security in the hands of Jeremy Corbyn.

We will ensure that such an injustice can never happen again by legislating to prevent accrued rights to the state pension being changed

Are you an official Labour Party spokesperson, SJeffrey?

Is it within GNHQ rules to allow officials from political parties to post on here?
Especially in the run-up to an election?

Opinions from posters are fine but not official propaganda surely?

You cannot fully cost promises such as these if you cannot predict what will happen with brexit.

The well respected economic analysts at the Institute for Fiscal Studies have modelled four possible scenarios.

There is no type of brexit which would not damage our economy. Remaining in the EU should deliver a brexit bonus of £50 billion which is why we must stop brexit to be able to do all the important things we need to do..