Fed up with being promised the moon on a stick!

Sadly, yggdrasil, there's a certain section of the electorate that has no particular wish to improve life for ordinary people.

lemongrove: Corbyn is actually offering the universe on a stick

But all fully costed, except for the WASPI pensions. To be paid for by the rich people, and a raise of corporation tax.
Even if only half of it gets done in the first Labour parliament, it will improve life for ordinary people immeasurably

“Get Brexit Done” is the most stupid childish election slogan as anyone who has half a brain knows it means 10+ more years of tortuous negotiations and nothing else will get done as we slide into recession and that will be the get out of jail free card - it’s not our fault etc we did what you said. As for those who claim Labour will ruin the economy - It’s already being ruined - it’s happening now folks! I can’t believe anyone who cares more about bloody Brexshit than millions of children in poverty, rough sleepers dying, the NHS crumbling, professional people leaving in their droves. I’m alright jackery is breathtaking. You can tell the Tory voters by the don’t care attitude - god help anyone who has the misfortune to fall on hard times - it’s all your fault for not working hard enough like me - Corbyn is so terrible with all his promises of decent public services the better off might have to pay a bit more tax on their buy to let properties - they get their money from people poorer than them. And no I’m not a Labour supporter, before I get a load of insults on that front.

MaizieD is right - Cameron was an idiot to follow through with that promise and leave this mess to his successors. That makes Corbyn even more of an idiot for offering to do it all over again!

It’s Johnson or Swindon for a clean break folks.

Swinson is sooo irritating

It wasn't "silly name calling" varian; it was an auto correct typo. That is all. I corrected it as soon as I saw it had come up I correctly.

I have never heard anyone refer to her as that. Jo Swinson is her name and it is not difficult to say it or write it or remember it. I do realise that her strong stance on stopping brexit does not go down well with those still identifying as leavers but silly name calling is pretty pathetic.

I think she should change her name by deed poll as so many people say Swindon.?

Swinson not Swindon!

But that would mean Swindon varian and I can't be doing with her either. Next!

No-one has to chose either of these dreadful men.

Vote Liberal Democrat to Stop Brexit and put the nightmare behind us.

Corbyn is actually offering the universe on a stick.??☀️?

We should all vote based on what's important (or most important) to us, not on the 'personalities' involved.

Well, I wish that Cameron had forgotten his 2015 manifesto promise to hold a referendum on membership of the EU.

What an idiotic statement, Oops, It is far from true.

We certainly do Oopsminty
Promises to lure in the voters are promised at every GE but the sheer scale of what Labour wants to do is the problem, they would either try and fail to do them ( with any luck)
Or they really would do many of them, wreck the economy and we would be back facing another GE in a couple of years!
Go and draw a rude pic on your ballot paper Phoenix?

Manifestos are conveniently forgotten once elected.

We all know this

I really, really, don't want to bring this thread or this election back to B**x**. But for anyone who is undecided, maybe just ask yourself whether or not you want to remain in the EU.

It's better than spoiling ballot papers. Or just voting for the one who looks best hanging off a zip wire.

I'm shocked how vehemently people are supporting any of the crap being spouted. They can promise the moon it doesn't mean it will ever be delivered. Probably end up in the same position after the election as we're in now. I already know who I'm voting for and nothing anyone says will change that.

One of them lies. One of them has a permanent splinter in his arse from sitting on fences all his political life. One of them is just a puppet whos strings are twitched by his master. Both are untrustworthy.

Choices. Choices.

Anagram, he may be presenting as sincere, but his back catalogue, so to speak, shows some rather worrying associations.

I feel between a rock and a hard place with those two.

As yet have received no printed info regarding who's standing, what their policies are etc, although when going to Plymouth for post cataract check the local Conservative candidates supporters had been busy, lots of posters up. (BTW, it's Geoffrey Cox, Attorney General and of the baritone voice)

TBH, if there was a Monster Raving Loony candidate, I would be damn well tempted to vote for them!

I feel for your frustration phoenix and Chewbacca, but not to vote is to let someone else decide for you.

Whether we like it or not, vote or not, either BJ or JC will be our next PM. We have to decide, either by voting directly for them or by tactical voting.

One of them has a well-proven track record of telling blatant lies, being bone idle, offensive in his use of language and with political and financial links to Russia and Russian oligarchs. This is the opinion of his friends, family, Civil Service and work colleagues.

The other one, though untried and a little fanciful in his aspirations, has a reputation for being sincere and honest.

Take your pick. Granted it's not a great choice, but one of them will almost certainly be the next PM.

EllanVannin The state pension isn't a gateway to other benefits, unless people are receiving Pension Credit.

I can't get excited over the compensation either, even though £31,200 would be a life changing amount for me. Despite ill health, I've had to carry on working and am expecting to continue for another 18 months if I don't drop down dead.

I actually don't think the compensation is justified anyway. I knew in 1995 that my state pension age would be 65 and there's not very much I could have done differently. It would be nonsense to claim I didn't know about it.

I've said all along that what I think is unfair is that the rules to Working Tax Credit were changed with the transition to Universal Credit. Previously, people (men) could claim WTC if they worked 16 hours a week rather than the usual 30 hours. This mean that people could start to take it a bit easy if their health wasn't up to working full time and receive a top up. Now, over 60s have to work 30 hours a week before they're eligible.

If the campaigners had been prepared to accept means tested help rather than full compensation, they would probably have stood a chance of being successful. They also seem to have forgotten that they will generally receive more state pension than older people.

Nevertheless, the argument that the country can't afford it is nonsense.

Don’t spoil the ballot paper - what good will that do? Is there no independent candidate who might be worth your vote?