Get Brexit Done

I was watching 'Coast' today and they said that the EU was formed as a way of keeping peace in Europe [which I knew of course] but it also said that the EU made it impossible for one country to arm itself for war [if that makes sense, I've probably worded it incorrectly] which is something I hadn't realised. It was actually a fascinating programme that took in London and then Belgium and talked a lot about trade etc.

*One in three teachers are providing pupils with basic hygiene products such as toothpaste and soap amid soaring child poverty rates, a new study shows.

Eight in ten primary school teachers have said they had seen a rise in the numbers of children coming to school unwashed or not looking presentable in the last five years and have found themselves intervening at an increasing rate*

I'm not a fan of " the Northern Powerhouse!

Unleash, what a joke, Unleash people who have to choose between food or heating. Unleash the thousands of children whose growth is stunted due to deprivation , no decent food.

Johnson's speeches are full of slogans. The one that I find really grating is "Unleash Britain's Potential". They've had ten years to do that and, in my view, they've done nothing but crush Britain's potential.

I'm not particularly referring to the chaos and division which has followed the referendum. It was already bubbling under the surface, in my view because Conservative policies impoverished many people, often in already disadvantaged parts of the country, and they believed - and many, though not all, continue to believe - that the EU was responsible. We will only see if they are correct once we leave but, as a not entirely convinced remainer, I still have serious doubts as to the wisdom of branching out on our own, given the state of this country at the moment.

Indeed- beggars belief.

Not only do we have more power, we are not in the Euro, nor in Schengen, and we have a rebate. We have the very best deal of any EU member country.

No wonder our fellow EU member countries all think we'd have to be bonkers to even consider leaving.

Brexiteers don't understand we, the British, have more power in Europe than do most other European countries

So true Tooting

The obvious solution is to STOP BREXIT

Either vote LibDem or vote for whichever candidate looks most likely to defeat the brexitories in your constituency.

tacticalvote.getvoting.org/

The current impasse cannot continue, the uncertainty is impacting on business and NHS. I doubt the free trade agreement will be done in a year as EU will be tough then it has to be ratified by each EU country which will take at least 6 months. If we take an off the shelf solution it may speed things up and promise to align regulations now and into the future as well. That apart from the Irish problem. Both LP and Conservatives are being disingenuous in the time lines required.

I know that we are not supposed to say what a lot of us are thinking, but just how stupid would you have to be ........?

Johnson and others keep repeating their mantras because they know that catchphrases work – at least for a time. The phrases roll off the tongue, are easy to remember, sound strong and, importantly, they don't need critical thinking or analysis. This, in turn, means that many people respond to them in a positive way. Just keep saying it: ”Take Back Control, The Will of the People, Get Brexit Done!”

I wonder how much money has been wasted on this Brexit nonsense?

anything else can be sorted out in 4 years time ...

Brexit is forever- and will not just 'get done' but take years and years of negotiations with us being at the bottom of the pile - and massive damage to all our services and industry.

Get Brexit done is pure nonsense meme.

It would have been far better to have had a second referendum before a general election.

The Liberal Democrat MPs in the last parliament attempted 17 times to get a second vote but were never supported by the Labour Party (although some MPs of all parties, including the LP, did support it).

I happen to agree with most LibDem policies and would vote LibDem anyway, but I suggest that in this sham of an election, all REMAINERS should vote tactically for the candidate most likely to defeat the Brexitories in their constituency.

Obviously many other things matter, but the country would be so damaged by brexit, that stopping it MUST be top priority.

Tooting29 - it doesn’t feel like a second referendum to me, and it isn’t a mandate. It feels like a General Election, confused by the EU matter.

This election is turning into a second referendum. The deal on the table or remain. Whatever the outcome it's important the winning party(s) should have the mandate to act.

Possible but is that a society you really want? I don't find the threat of poverty - which is what it will mean for many more, at all enticing.

He's lying varian. That is one thing you can rely on. We could even play "guess who he will blame this time". Never his fault.

varian - irrespective of what "he says" he will do, it is still possible to leave with no deal.

I agree varian and this is the crucial point: we would then by default leave with no deal.

Can we be sure that the law ensures there will be no crash out no deal brexit?

What happens if Johnson wins the election, takes us out of the EU, but cannot get a trade deal by the end of next year? He is saying there will be no extension of the transition period.

AlltheLs But, if Boris does win with a majority, will Remainers then accept it?

No. I will have voted on the basis of many different things and I will assume others will have too. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then the chances are its a duck. This looks and sounds like a General Election not a referendum.

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The two options...this deal or remain,

For those who haven’t figured it out yet Corbyn will easily get a deal that will include a Custom’s Union. This was one of May’s ‘red lines’.

A Customs Union would solve the NI problem and any that might arise when Scotland breaks free. It is NOT the same as the single market, but more aligned to the old concept of the Common Market which was acceptable to many.

This will not require years of negotiations. And, as the is now not possible in law to leave without a deal, then those are the two options Corbyn will put to the electorate.

I’m neutral too. So long as we have that Customs Union with the EU we will retain control of our NHS and not become a puppet of a Trump.

Johnson’s Conservatives want this election to be about Brexit—epitomized by their dubious pledge to “get Brexit done.” (The formal process of leaving merely kicks off years of negotiations about the future relationship between the U.K. and the EU.) Johnson is ahead in the polls—but so was the party’s previous leader, Theresa May, as she headed into the last election two years ago, and she still managed to lose her majority.

Under Johnson, the party has moved away from the center ground and become less small-c conservative. It is now closer to the rabble-rousing instincts of right-wing populism than to the patrician geniality of many of its former leaders.

Already this feels like the most consequential British election of my career: a contest over not just Brexit, but the type of country the U.K. wants to be. The vote on December 12 could, in theory, stop Brexit—but it could also endorse Boris Johnson’s plan for an ultra-hard form of it.

www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/10/britain-election-last-chance-stop-brexit/601078/