John McDonnell - fee paying scholar to Marxist

The BBC (not exactly a left-wing organisation these days) fact-checked Johnson's interview with Marr. The conclusion was that every single claim Johnson made was untrue.

waiting, patiently - waiting ...

off to my massage now.

Left wing speculation

So come on then - which ones are factually incorrect? Surely, as a BJ fan (or at least, a right winger) you'll be able to put us right.

I don't know what Marr's politics are but I do know that the lovely Jack Ashley, a Labour MP for 26 years, was his FIL - was he ever your MP jura?

Funny that SCJ, when I click on those links, guess what, its either left wing media sites, or a report of a report taken from guess who, the Labour Party!!. As I said, gossip and idle left wing speculation. Not worth another second of my time ...

Slightly off topic but why does parliament not buy some apartments that are for MP’s to stay when they need to be in London and so stop all these claims for housing? I am probably being naive so please be gentle.

I am amused by the tenacity of JMcD’s Scouse accent given that he has lived in SE for most of his life.

Johnson is a massive and multiple, compulsive liar- FACT - no gossip in there at all.

What - gossip like this Opal?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-lies-conservative-leader-candidate-list-times-banana-brexit-bus-a8929076.html%3famp

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/37-lies-gaffes-scandals-make-18558695.amp

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thecanary.co/uk/2019/10/05/just-over-100-days-in-and-boris-johnsons-lied-and-misled-80-times-and-rising/amp/

Ooh, pot, kettle, black jura2 - "attack the policies you don't agree with, don't smear the man with bitter gossip" - you constantly "smear" Johnson with "bitter gossip".

Growstuff- agreed- attack the policies you don't agree with, don't smear the man with bitter gossip.

I madea mistake the other day, but stating that Marr is a Tory- because this is how I'd interpreted much of wht he has said in last couple of years. It was pointed out I was wrong, by anno and a few others. So I did a bit of research, and was very happy to say I had been mistaken.

Why can't people put their hands up when they are found to be wrong or mistaken- I justt don't know.

To be honest, Johnson has told so many lies that I simply think all he is saying is a lie. I simply don't believe the MI5 thing. Basically, I have better things to do than sort out that man's lies from the truth. So if he opens his mouth it's a lie as far as I am concerned.

Now the smear about McDonnell's education has hopefully been debunked, I'll say that I really don't agree with much that he says. My point is that I'd rather criticise him for his actions and beliefs rather than some fabricated smear. I feel the same about any politician. I think smears and inaccuracies just cloud genuine issues.

Johnson should have known better than to smear Corbyn, but I doubt if he'll apologise. Lying seems to have become his "modus operandi".

It was in fact McDonnell who said MI5 should be disbanded in 2015 and signed a statement to that effect although he later denied having done so. This was despite him holding a copy of the statement by the SCLV and beaming.
Abbott has said so too.

Guardian 19/11/2015
Sorry, I cannot link.

Yehbutnotbut - agreed 100% - am holding my breath ;)

Another lie. This time about Mr Corbyn and NATO. Just so we are all clear, there is a commitment to NATO in the manifesto.

Also, after the London Bridge attack, Mr Johnson accused Mr Corbyn of wanting to close down MI5. Today could find no evidence, stretching back many years of him EVER having said that. Mr Johnson, it seems, lies as he breathes.

It really concerns me that untruths can be so quickly disseminated and believed, not just with this particular non-story.

Ug if you want to wind this up I think you ought to hold your hands up and admit ‘sorry folks I got this wrong’. It happens and it is easy to be misled by some of the stories put out in the media at this time.

I've found the Mail on Sunday article that the Sun, the Daily Express and the 'Herald Publicist' lifted their stories from.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7740117/The-public-school-past-Marxist-McDonnell-tried-hide.html

While reading it I had the feeling that I'd encountered a similar journalistic style before. Then I realised. Rita Skeeter at her inimitable best.... ?

How strange! There are no details about "HeraldPublicist" on Google. However, a user with the name "HeraldPublicist" has been active on Twitter over the last few weeks. It looks suspiciously like a fake news site.

You appear to have shot yourself in the foot with that source Urmstongran.

This is a quote from Prospect Magazine in 2018 about McDonnell's early days:

"McDonnell and his brother, who became a police chief superintendent, went to the local grammar. After a year he was sent on a church grant to De La Salle College in Ipswich, a Catholic boarding school, to prepare him for the priesthood. “We were the classic Irish Catholic family, which meant one of us was going to be the priest,” he says with a sigh.
The altar boy who had to get up early every morning for Mass didn’t enjoy the experience and doesn’t talk publicly about it, but others have heard him speak of De La Salle in terms of “sado-masochistic Christianity,” a regime that enjoyed “kicking the shit out of you.” McDonnell sticks to: “I did a few years there until I was 15, 16 and basically discovered girlfriends, so celibacy wasn’t going to be an option. I was also into politics.”

www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/john-mcdonnell-socialist-kevin-maguire-profile

Please note that it is the journalist who refers to the school as "De La Salle", not McDonnell himself.

"Ipswich De La Salle College" is listed in the 1944 edition of "The Catholic Schools of England and Wales", even though it was known as St John's College since its opening in 1937:

archive-uat.catholicherald.co.uk/article/9th-july-1937/14/new-college-at-ipswich-to-be-opened-by-brothers-of

There is still no evidence that McDonnell tried to hide anything, so no grounds for accusing him of hypocrisy.

Looks like McDonnell was able to walk away and do very well with his life - unlike Boris who seems damaged by it all beyond hope.

SirC- I often wonder abotu that. And from the experiences of those I know who were sent away to Public Boarding school from the age of 5 - I can only sumise what they went through. Poor kids. (in the case of those I know, no full sexual abuse- but very close to it, and beating and bullying by senior pupils and some staff- until they were old enough to become the bullies and do the beatings.

Lying cheat - although living works too

What could Boris possibly have got through to have made him into the living cheat that he is today, I wonder. Something went very wrong somewhere.

I've only just got home, clicked on Ug's link (which was then the last post on this thread) and I feel much the same as trisher does about it. Incredibly badly written, possibly not even by a British person, and quite confusing. What is more, the 'Herald Publicist' is incredibly coy about disclosing any details about itself. I do like to know a bit more about an online publication than 'zilch'.

Bad choice of link, I think, Ug