Unman Khan and some light on the issue

Monica

I think that idea is dangerous in fact. (S.Arabian imams)
They might easily make the men feel even more strongly to repress women's rights as just one example.
Say we have to cover up and so on.
because that is what they believe in. How would that help a man living in Europe?

Wahibi religion is far stricter than most of Islam and they are very hardcore.

In what measure are they more successful in deradicalization?

The Saudi deradicalisation programme has been visited by outside observers, and I do agree, trisher that they are vile.

But I do think they are on the right track, whether they practice what they preach or not. Deradicalisation is best addressed through their religious beliefs and Imams and others who can discuss the Koran and its teachings with them.

As I understand it deradicalisation in this country is much more secular in approach. We need to change how they think and this has to be done by accepting their religious beliefs, and then changing their mindset and this can only done by those who share their islamic faith, but are far more learned in it than they are.

I wouldn't beleive a word the Saudis said about deradicalisation. They are after all the peole who funded Isis. Perhaps what they do is ship out anyone who stays radical.

The country with the most successful deradicalisation programme is Saudi Arabia. Their system is based on long discussions with highly scholarly Imams who know and understand Islam far better than any extremist, whose understanding of their religion is often very limited.

I am not naive, I am well aware of the human rights, or rather lack of human rights in Saudi and the brutality of the police and security services. But those who know their deradicalisation programme beleive it is on the right lines.

I do think that any deradicalisation programme needs to be built around the faith that these people profess and their understanding of it and this can only be addressed by learned members of that faith who can talk to them and educate them on the real meaning of Islam and the way of life it advocates.

We take a too secular approach to deradicalisation and the system is, I think, institutionally suspicious of any one with Islamic beliefs being involved in it. But I do not see how you can help these people unless you can understand the way that religion is their whole life and if they are to change it must be within the context of their faith.

pinkquartz if as you suggest nothing can be done then the future is bleak. There is evidence that prisons have large numbers of prisoners radicalised during their stay so long prison sentences would only add to this.

Why does Corbyn refer to ‘terrorists’ but members of the IRA
who were sentenced for murder - ‘political prisoners

Again how can you make a person restructure their beliefs?
If an individual makes a choice to change that is totally different.
Though this person Khan claimed to have done so.....he lied.

So Trisher I don't understand how anyone can be deradicalized unless they change because they want to?

And also how could a person be a resource to use?
It doesn't make any sense......If you have seen these guys they really believe what they believe. How can anyone make them change?

pinkquartz there are a nmber of extremists who have re-thought their beliefs. They are a resource the government should be using.

Apparently he refused to go on one when first in prison.

can anyone here explain just what a deradicalization program would be?

I honestly don't believe it is possible without an invasive measure like meds or lobotamy.

How on earth can you talk a person out of such impassioned beliefs?

I thought it was reported on the news that Khan was considered a public security risk and that he should have not been allowed to travel without an escort, which is what happened a year ago.

The rules are in place but they were not applied.

Grannylyn's post was rather random. I couldn't get the gist of it. Sorry Grannylyn.

I don't think that Mr Merritt can expect to have any influence over UK laws, present or future. Sad as the whole affair is, I think he would do better staying out of the politics of it.

I wouldn't give them a chance. Lock 'em all up and throw away the key.

grannylyn65, your contribution could get lost but I want to acknowledge its significance. You say you're an alcoholic but haven't had a drink in 34 years.
That presumably in order to challenge the poster who said there's no point trying to rehabilitate terrorists, its like telling an alcoholic not to drink.
As well as people who have been addicted to drugs and alcohol managing to stay sober, we have people who were serious, dangerous offenders who managed to turn their lives around. No one says it's easy or that all offenders want to be rehabilitated, that all jihadis can be de radicalised but - some can.

And now Corbyn is using it to damn Trump - you really couldn’t make it up could you? And I’m meant to vote next week.....

oh my, Monica - because it is Johnson who has made the degrading arguments, who has used the death of his child, who believed the politics of THAT party were wrong and against all he believed in- to gain advantage in this sickening election campaign. Of course his condemnation was aimed at the party and the man responsible- how can you not see that???

I can see absolutely no reason why he should be partisan after the loss of his child. His first statement essentially saying'a curse on all your houses' He was better than any of you. Do not drag my dead child into your degrading arguments. I totally understood, but once the message started shifting to singling out one party to attack to the advantage of another, I just felt very sad.

If you can't be "partisan" after your child is killed when can you be? Who else can speak up and remember the values your child lived by? Are you just supposed to forget?

I agree MOnica

It's no use the police saying there are no more suspects-----of course there are !!

Now there'll be more killings because the perp. was shot and so it goes on ad infinitum.

I think Mr Merritt deserves to be heard and deserves our respect as well as our sympathy and compassion.

He is more entitled to speak out at this dreadful time than any politician and we should heed his warning.

He could never be accused of exploiting his son's death for political ends, unlike these vile newspapers and politicians.

I’m an alcoholic and not had a drink for 34 years

varian, I am concerned that what sounded like a justified call for respect from an anguished father, is beginning to look somewhat partisan.