Unman Khan and some light on the issue

The absolute heroes who tackled Khan and prevented further carnage were, according to reports, ex-offenders attending the same course.
So it could be argued that the rehabilitation programmes do work in many cases.
I don't agree with a sentence being given which is halved, I can see the arguments why a longer sentence is given then reduced, but perhaps more time should be spent on rehabilitation while the offender is still in prison instead of early release.

None of this is any consolation to a chap in prison who's spent the last 34 years as an entirely innocent man !
Paperwork/ letters show who the real killer was but is being withheld. This man must feel sick when he sees such prisoners going free.
The law is an ass and the justice system broken.

Where would you send this scum? news.sky.com/story/neo-nazi-jack-renshaw-jailed-for-life-over-plot-to-kill-his-mp-11722061

Quizqueen Khan hadn't murdered anybody when he was sentenced.

By the way, there are currently some right-wingers in prison for plotting to kill people, but they're white. Does your opinion include them?

Where exactly would you send a British citizen? I think Botany Bay stopped accepting undesirables some time ago.

Very interesting and illuminating post Oldwoman thank you.

It’s what a lot of us non-liberal types suspect.

As I posted on the Andrew Marr thread - the Yorkshire Ripper (Sutcliffe) is imprisoned for life, as were Ian Brady, Myra Hindley and the Kray brothers.

What is it about these terrorist murderers do the liberals feel they need to ‘understand’ their mindset? Who cares?

Not me. Lock ‘em up and keep us safe.

Why aren't all terrorists and any foreign criminals, who commit serious crimes for that matter, immediately deported after release? If they are British citizens then they should be striped of that status while in prison. Better still, bring back the death penalty for all types of murder.

Luckily, the police saved the country the cost of a lengthy trial and another prison sentence, in this case. It doesn't matter which government is in power, the do-gooders will always want shorter prison terms and so called rehabilitation. Corbyn would have just invited him round for a cup of tea and a chat with his allotment salad and suggested he mend his wicked ways and then sent him on his way to murder someone else.

As a matter of interest, does anybody know any details of what Khan's "rehabilitation" involved? An awful lot of assumptions are being made, but I'd like to know how the deradicalization programme worked (or didn't work) for him and what was actually tried, before I make any judgement. Facts only, please.

He’s not the first to fool the psychiatrists and parole board and he hadn’t actually murdered anyone before has he?

There are a handful of convicted murderers and rapists who also manipulated people to get early release or parole and then murdered or raped again.

It is nothing new.

Whilst I agree rehabilitation is the preferable way - I wonder at what appears to be the gullibility of those running these schemes. I worked in the legal profession and was asked to sit in on an interview with a client, a repeat offender. He poured out a story of his disadvantaged childhood, how sorry he was and how if given a chance he would turn his life around.

The solicitor I was shadowing had to temporarily leave the office. The client looked at me and said "you aren't believing a word of this are you" I replied that I had grown up two streets away from him and had suffered exactly the same disadvantages, as had many of my friends, and we didn't turn to crime.

His reply was that you just had to tell these "liberal do-gooders" (his words) what they wanted to hear and they would believe you every time. Something I think Khan had done.

So, yes, lets have rehabilitation schemes but also be a bit more sceptical of what the offenders are saying

trisher yes and why resources spent on rehabilitation are essential.

TerriBull opposing the shooting of terrorists uness absolutely essential is perfectly reasonable and in fact desirable. We may view Usman Khan as just a dead terrorist but for some he will now be a martyr to the cause and will have gone straight to paradise. For every terrorist you kill many more may be recruited. We need to recognise that there are second generation Muslim immigrants who feel our society must be destroyed and we need to find out what would help change these attitudes. It's easier to do that if the terrorist is still alive.

This terrorist certainly managed to easily fool those in charge of the ‘rehabilitation’ course, it has to be assumed that for most terrorists they will comply with what’s needed to get out as soon as possible.Sentences will have to be longer.Of course they will have to get out at some time, but they will be older and maybe not so determined in their mind about committing more offences and going back to jail or being
shot.

I agree with your last comment EV but sadly that genie is out of the bottle.

We need to deal robustly with the consequences.

Gonegirl I think they did know, which is why they restrained him, absolute heroes.

I mustn't take away from their heroism.

I can't help wondering if those men that fought with him would have done so if they had realised he had a suicide vest on, albeit a fake one. But that's just mean.

TerriBull it's either them or you !

The person to blame for all this is Blair ! Saddam shouldn't have been hunted down, it was nothing to do with this country.

Rehabilitation doesn't work ! It's like telling an alcoholic to stop drinking.

Slightly off subject, what bothers me is Jeremy Corbyn appears to oppose "shoot to kill" I don't know how he feels the scenario that unfolded on Friday should have been dealt with. It's certainly an opinion that is out of kilter with how most people feel. For example, on MN one poster mooted her feelings which were "there were two murderers at the scene, Khan and the policeman that shot him dead" needless to say that poster was shot down in flames from all the others, very much a lone voice. It must be incredibly hard to take the split second decision to take a life, but at the time it cannot be known how many more innocent lives could be taken. I believe there were 8 or 9 on the previous London Bridge atrocitiy.

JenniferEccles, yes-----death to terrorists.

O/P - Usman Khan

Usman Khan murdered Saskia Jones and Jack Merrit

Jack Merrit’s father asked his sons death not be used for
politics .

74 terrorists had been released from jail earlier------and now, police are looking for them back to their cells ! I totally give up.

I don't understand this 'you serve only half' thing at all. Why?!
Doesn't it make a mockery of sentencing.

Part of the reason for early releases has been the slashing of the prison and probation services by privatisation in a bid to save money. Many experienced prison and probation officers let go
as too expensive. Interesting to note that one ( or two?) of those who tackled the terrorist were convicted criminals being helped by the rehabilitation programme. Those who demand the death sentence should realise that it wouldn’t deter a determined terrorist - they often end up being shot by police anyway as in this case.