Brexit dividing my family.

Luckily, almost all of my friends and family are Leavers so I don't have to put with Remainer sour grapes rants, except on here!!!!

Johnson/Corbyn don’t come up very much here

Nor in my house SueDonim, but probably for very different reasons!

<<As for not saying how you voted - well I am sorry- but if you talk to people, and they tell you how they feel about x, y, z- or Johnson, or Corbyn- it is usually very obvious. I am afraid I come from a family, and so does OH, where we talk about all sorts, and not just the weather, village gossip and platitudes- thank goodness.>>

Oh, we have very intellectual conversations in this house, I’m happy to report. Johnson/Corbyn don’t come up very much here, I suppose because I live in Scotland and we look to Holyrood rather than Westminster.

I’m a floating voter, I’ve never voted for any particular party, although my mother’s family were Liberals. I’d never dare ask her how she votes, though! It’s more than my life’s worth, as her family held the secret ballot in high esteem, due to the history of the area they lived in. She did let slip she voted Remain, that’s the only time she’s ever told me. She still argues politics until the cows come home, even at 92yo.

That's not what I said Hetty, I said that's what the racists assumed of other leave voters ... And some liberals... I'm more of a moderate.

Not everyone who voted leave is racist (though racists did vote leave, they are but a small and obnoxious minority).

I think that racism was very very frowned upon, or appeared to be. Then those who voted leave for racist reasons just assumed others did the same.

Hate crime quadrupled after Brexit, that wasn't for no reason. I heard a very elderly lady who I have known for years say "Now we can get them foreigners out". I would never have known.

To be fair I am always polite to people still, just a little distance now. If you look at at this way, it's actually more respectful to them to be distant rather than risk a confrontation if they say something that offends you.

I think they are Hetty; for most of us anyway.

My family mostly voted leave, with two remainers. It hasn't caused us any stress, division or bad feeling, though. We understand each other's views and respect each other's choices. I would hope that most families are the same.

If you knew people who were racist before brexit, I'm surprised you didn't distance yourself long ago

I asked that very same question at 17.15 MissA but got no response. It seems so obvious! Why would you have anything to do with anyone, on any level, if you know, thought or suspected that they are racist?

Labaik when you see a new name never seen before, and there is a Momentum link put on with the post, just a week before a GE, urging you to vote Labour, well........

No not at all, I'm not anti leave voters just those who did it for reasons of racism rather than reasons of genuinely thinking they were doing their best for the younger generation.

So you didn't know they were racist then?

well, before Brexit, and in the USA, before Obama and then Trump- it was hidden and not openly expressed. Ooops said 'out'- so best log off now.

..oh, and, by the way mrs 'i'msotolerant'. You're the one that instantly jumped on the OP accusing her of being left wing/momentum; not even a 'hi, welcome to gransnet' from you because you thought she was a 'leftie'....

Well exactly MissA ??

Fortunately Labaik there are no racists in my family and friends circle.

If you knew people who were racist before brexit, I'm surprised you didn't distance yourself long ago.

Not everything is about you jura2 ....my point was a general one.

I think what some of us have tried to point out is that we knew people who were racist but became more openly so after Brexit and they, surprisingly turned out to be Brexit supporters. and, d'y'knowwhat; I do actually think I'm better than someone who is openly racist . What do you do, lemon, when people make racist comments? Do you just think they're entitled to their opinion, bless them?

not worth responding as you are not reading posts...and choosing to misinterpret. So 'out'.

Such saintly behaviour by some ?.....not! What they are saying is:
I distance myself from those who don’t think the same as I do.They mustn’t have any moral compass or empathy if they think differently to me.
Well hello! Get down from those high horses.
Unless people you know are unpleasant racists, start thinking
That they came to their decision on voting after careful thought.So what if it was not what you voted for.

Indeed- and really shocking.

My mum was studying in Munich in 1932- she saw it all building up, and the racist comments that slowly turned into shops being graffitied, then damaged, then destroyed. Racist comments turned into spitting, then smacks, then beatings.

She always told me she regretted not saying anything, not reporting what she saw back home. After 6 months, she left and returned home - never saying anything to the other students who were well off, good looking, intelligent - and slowly turning into the Nazi Elite...

In other words those who disagree with your decision Starblaze God help us.

What really worries me these days are the number of people that make openly racist comments with the assumption that everyone agrees with them.

Pantglas - as Labaik so rightly said- I will distance myself from people with racist or fascist views - and thank goodness this does not apply from my children. We have friends from all ages, all backgrounds and religions and views - but none are racist or fascist. It is not about 'sharing views'- but sharing deep values, that takes into account our family history and background.