How can the Tories be proud of their leader? *Title edited by GNHQ*

GG2 her to whom you refer is a typical example of those stick to a philosophy and never budge. Inflexible, totally loyal to their political masters, serf-like.

I can see the problem with Corbyn and why some people don’t like his brand of socialism. I’m certainly not a Len McCluskey fan BUT I have been trained to think logically, I feel for those less fortunate than myself and I see the infrastructure of out NHS, education system, and other public services crumbling to the point of no return.

Add to that mix the character of the two leaders and there is no choice.

Choosing a side to vote for isn’t as lemon seems to think a monogamous one, married for life to The One. It is more like transport...if you can’t get a train, plane or bus exactly to your destination then you take what gets you nearest and take it from there.

Back with your rubbish statements and no reference to show it is any anything other than fake Lemongrove. I think many on here have got the measure of the game you play, straight from the "Dirty Tory Handbook". It's say whatever makes your opponent look bad whether it's true or not and never refer to the last nine years of Tory chaos. You do it so well, with never a reference to be seen and many a lie repeated but not proved.

So was it labour who gave the go ahead to the new Children's Unit coming soon?

So in your world Gonegirl the future possibility of a Children's Unit in 2025 wipes out nine years of cutting the NHS back to the bone, Leopards do not change their spots. That is what a Tory government does; it is in their DNA.

It could have been dealt with better by the staff.

So now Tory cutting to the bone is the fault of the remaining under pressure, under resourced staff.

How long will you be blind to what the Tories have done to the country, the poor, the sick and the old?

Hasn't the 40 new hospital stuff been fact checked and found to be incorrect? Along with all the new nurses etc. Actually it's quite funny that the Tories tried to make the NHS the main issue, claiming it as their own and I think it's backfired a bit.

mcem there isn’t the choice, there are so many people who do not want Corbyn as PM that any alternative is attractive.
In any future election, if the LP can get back to being more centre left ( moderate) then they will no doubt win by a landslide, like Tony Blair did.

As for the new unit and all the 40 promised hospitals, do you have any reason at all to believe them?

Without quoting that precise term (my shorthand) that is exactly what they've been doing - claiming it's a left-wing publicity stunt and a put-up job.

Is Boris labelling it fake news? I haven't heard that.

So was it labour who gave the go ahead to the new Children's Unit coming soon?

When the facilities aren't available could be put more honestly.
Eg when hospitals have been so starved of cash by a self-serving government.
When they cannot justify their actions they label this report as fake news and retreat once again into their nether world of lies and deception.
Utterly incomprehensible that any decent person can condone this behaviour by voting tory.

Armando Iannucci

Ch4 replace him with an ice sculpture and he threatens their status.
@afneil
challenges him to appear, and he proposes removing the BBC’s license funding. Now he grabs a reporter’s phone: whenever this man is asked questions by the media, his response is to try to shut it down.

Be careful about getting ill anywhere in the Tory-ruled NHS, which is so depleted of funds and resources that you might not get the treatment you need and deserve when you need it.

Don't get ill if you live in Bolton.

In that picture in Leeds Live, the boy has definitely been told to look sorry for himself.

No one can do miracles when the facilities aren't available, ...

You certainly are making excuses for this last 9/10 years of Conservative cock-ups by trying to suggest that this happening in the fifth largest economy in the world is acceptable. Why? The child was there. People, including the Tories, have apologised. Why has it happened? Because Brexit Tories cannot manage anything they are not personally making money out of.

They don't care about children, the poor, the dispossessed or anyone they cannot make money out of and in order to do that they will lie, lie and lie again and treat people abysmally.

Wouldn't it have been dirty tricks of the Labour Party, thinking to discredit the previous government. Why would the tories shoot themselves in the foot?

Does it matter where the story originated? It happened. It could have been dealt with better by the staff. And yes, I do know how busy and overworked they are.

The dirty tricks department of the Tory party is phenominally well funded and knows no bounds.

I'm not justifying the lack of beds. That definitely needs working on and at this hospital there is another children's hospital in the pipeline.

Have you actually read my posts? Or are you just trotting out your usual?

Apparently the woman who supposedly said the boy on the floor incident was staged has claimed that her Facebook account has been hacked and she knew nothing about it.

This seems to have been followed up by someone on twitter who has looked at her FB page. Oddly enough, she is 'Friends' with Matt Hancock and her son's FB page is full of far right, white supremacy stuff (you see, it's quite easy to find people on FB)

Thread here with screenshots;

twitter.com/WordsbyKK/status/1204395592795017216

P.S If I, or anyone else, find the same story, using exactly the same words & screenshots but with different account names I'll hold up my hands and apologise for spreading fake news..

The thought of immigrants had not crossed my mind. How dare you make that supposition?

you are justifying it ...

Why are the facilities not available? Have you asked yourself that? There are reasons (and NO it is not the immigrants ... just in case you were wondering)...

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back at you

I am making excuses for no one.

and still they go on excusing the inexcusable