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How can the Tories be proud of their leader? *Title edited by GNHQ*

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MawB Mon 09-Dec-19 18:12:51

So today Johnson refused to look at footage of a 4 year old boy being treated on the floor of a Leeds A&E, even pocketing the phone of the journalist trying to show it to him.

Where is this man’s common decency?
Where is his humanity?
When will he realise the buck stops with him ?

Gonegirl Tue 10-Dec-19 17:04:49

No one can do miracles when the facilities aren't available, but I think he could have been made more comfortable where he was, and allowed to sleep. I don't see that a bed in itself is particularly necessary for a 4 year old whilst he is waiting to be seen. Why didn't they bring him a pillow and a warm covering?

Of course the time he had to wait is diabolical.

MaizieD Tue 10-Dec-19 17:04:23

Jennifer Eccles.

The true story is in the Leeds Live link that I posted.

Have a look at this twitter thread and see how the fake version was spread by multiple fake twitter and facebook accounts within hours of it being made public. Multiple accounts all posting with exactly the same wording, the lie that some of you appear to believe is the truth...

Dirty, very dirty...

twitter.com/marcowenjones/status/1204183081009262592

Callistemon Tue 10-Dec-19 17:01:53

X post with inkcog

Callistemon Tue 10-Dec-19 17:01:01

Our male GPs are part-time too.
I thought that they could be sharing childcare with their OH.

Gonegirl Tue 10-Dec-19 17:00:55

Of course the long wait was totally unacceptable. It's not the wait that is being talked about here. hmm

inkcog Tue 10-Dec-19 16:59:49

www.theguardian.com/media/2019/dec/10/woman-says-account-hacked-to-post-fake-story-about-hospital-boy

Oh and how about part time male GP's ...are they acceptable.

maddyone Tue 10-Dec-19 16:53:11

Jennifer, why do you object to female GPs enjoying the same rights to work part time as any other women?
The answer is not to train or employ more male doctors, it is to train more doctors full stop.

trisher Tue 10-Dec-19 16:52:56

*Gonegirl do you really think keeping a child of 4 in a room with no trolley or bed for 4+ hours and then on a trolley for 5+ hours is OK treatment? I wonder have you ever sat or waited in A&E for that length of time? I have and it's worrying and exhausting. Not to mention that a sick 4 year old should be in bed and not waiting for one.

Gonegirl Tue 10-Dec-19 16:50:33

Surprised the nursing staff didn't think of that.

Gonegirl Tue 10-Dec-19 16:49:37

I think I would have asked for a blanket to roll him up in.

Gonegirl Tue 10-Dec-19 16:48:19

In that picture in Leeds Live, the boy has definitely been told to look sorry for himself. grin

I think his treatment was ok. You can't expect everything to be first class for everyone every time. There is a new Children's hospital in the pipeline.

JenniferEccles Tue 10-Dec-19 16:44:43

Someone earlier on here said that the child was on a trolley after being treated but the mother laid him on the floor, took the picture then put him back on the trolley.

Then of course she would have decided which Left supporting newspaper to send it to.

The story sounded fishy to me as soon as I saw it on the news.

inkcog Tue 10-Dec-19 16:44:36

JE, you are not really pro creative ideas around parenting and working are you?

MaizieD Tue 10-Dec-19 16:36:19

It was a floor, Baggs, that is the essential bit. Does it really matter if it was the floor of A &E, or the floor of an A & E treatment room? It's all the same department.

This thread doesn't seem to have the link to the full Leeds Live story that was posted yesterday on another thread. It might be useful for people commenting on here to read:

www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/lgi-bosses-apologise-after-four-17385357

Baggs Tue 10-Dec-19 16:19:53

Aw, shucks, gonegirl, don't go letting facts get in the way of a good rant mob ?

Callistemon Tue 10-Dec-19 16:08:30

GrandmaJan
Interesting post

Callistemon Tue 10-Dec-19 16:05:57

yehbutnobut

I think many people think the same way as me, not sure why youn thinkthey do not.

Voted remain, vote Lib Dem
Pragmatic not hysterical
Know how bad the NHS could be under Labour and still can be under Welsh Labour. Acknowledging that it is no better in parts now.

Just wondering, amongst some of the outrageous posts I read on here, you think mine are worthy of your outrage.

Gonegirl Tue 10-Dec-19 16:00:24

Reading Twitter, and that awful Allison Pearson woman, the boy was on a bed but another patient came in who needed the bed more. So the family was moved to a treatment room. It wasn't even the floor of A and E. hmm

trisher Tue 10-Dec-19 15:56:06

merlotgran many boys of 4 don't want to be held, they think it's babyish. If he had a high temperature he would be better off and stay cooler on the floor anyway.

Dinahmo Tue 10-Dec-19 14:13:56

Apparently the woman who supposedly said the boy on the floor incident was staged has claimed that her Facebook account has been hacked and she knew nothing about it.
(Guardian today)

JenniferEccles Tue 10-Dec-19 13:33:11

maddyone I would have absolutely no objection to female GPs if they worked full time like their male counterparts.

I remember reading a while back that the balance has now shifted from predominantly male to female GPs.
That’s the problem we now have.

varian Tue 10-Dec-19 13:28:47

Greta posts - "Surely the answer to the GP shortage is to train men rather than women."

Believe it or not, when I worked in a university in the 1960s , medical school admissions had a strict quota system -
75% men, 25% women!

Gonegirl Tue 10-Dec-19 13:23:37

He didn't actually come in contact with the floor. He was on his coat. And the air would be the same. Probably more comfortable flat out.

merlotgran Tue 10-Dec-19 13:08:34

With so many people tramping about in A&E, I'm not sure I'd want a child or grandchild of mine to lie on the floor. Not the cleanest of environments for a sick little boy.

If I was his mother I would have held him, maybe with his feet up on a chair and his head on my lap.

Greta Tue 10-Dec-19 13:00:51

"Surely the answer to the GP shortage is to train men rather than women."

We'll soon be writing 2020 and I can't believe I'm reading this. How about providing decent childcare for all families? How about allowing all fathers adequate parental leave?