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I don't think it was staged. So long as he was warm enough, lying on the floor would be for him as good as lying on a trolley.

My grandsons, when they were little, used to sometimes sleep on the floor when staying with me, pretending to be camping. Slept perfectly well.

Whilst I agree with you Gonegirl, and I haven’t the first idea whether this situation was staged or not ( although I suspect not) I would be quite incensed if the child on the floor was my grandchild. However I absolutely would not go to the press about it.

It's a big fuss over nothing.

BJ most likely put the phone in his pocket with the intention of looking at it later and discussing it separately with the journalist.

The little boy did get adequate treatment.

It's a very emotionally charged story.

You do have to remember that lying on the floor is very different for a child than it is for an adult, especially an elderly adult. Their bones are much softer for one thing. The child was probably perfectly comfortable.

Small children have been known to get out of bed and sleep on the floor.

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JenniferEccles, which time in history would you like us to return to? Your suggestion that to train more male GPs is absolutely outrageous. I can hardly believe that there is anyone left who spouts such out of date ideas. What about equality of opportunity? What do you think the suffragettes fought for? They were the beginning of the emancipation of women, which has led to all of us having better opportunities. Our daughters, quite rightly, had even more equality and opportunity. The right to work part time (if the employer allows it) after a woman has given birth was brought into law by the Blair government, and has allowed hundreds of thousands (if not more) of women to combine a career and being a mother. Doctors are not treated differently under the law from anyone else, and that’s how it should be.

I’ve said it several times on this thread, but I’ll say it again, the way to solve the GP shortage is to train more doctors!

Thank you, GrandmaJan for your post of 10:58

BBC news:

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Yetbutnobut I’m not retired. I still do bank work in a large hospital and occasionally a GP surgery.
varian I forgot to comment about Andrew Neil, I was rushing. Yes I agree BJ should have been interviewed but Corbyn has been stopped from speaking as well, once in Scotland and another time (not sure where) when he was shouted at for anti semitism in the LP. I’m not in any way sticking up for either party leader and I’m definitely not voting for either of them

GrandmaJan posted-

"I’m not convinced BJ is hiding. His security have felt it isn’t safe to attend certain meetings"

Did his security people feel it wouldn't be safe for him to attend a meeting with Andrew Neil???

Whether or not the scene was staged does not affect in any way Boris's initial reaction - after all, he didn't even bother to look at the picture.

The sad thing is, I feel that there could be any number of incidents like this and he will still win on Thursday (can't believe I'm saying that

Absolutely...

I'm convinced that Boris and his ilk are simply not interested in anything except retaining power. Brexit is just a populist peg to hang a slogan on to ensure they're voted back to govern. Johnson is interested in Johnson, pure and simple.

Labaik I give some the benefit of the doubt inasmuch as they must find this evidence of neglect by the NHS hard to stomach.

Fact: over 5000 patients have died under this government whose condition was exacerbated by waiting hours, on trolleys, in A&E because of a lack of beds (ward closures) and staff.

So many people wanting to disprove this story but not many writing about the deliberate attempt by Hancocks lot to make out that they were attacked by Labour activists. And, even if the story is fabricated in some way, maybe people are so hardened to the idea of sick people waiting hours in A&E it needed to sight of a young child in that situation to make people think again about what is now deemed to be acceptable?

Sorry GrandmaJan that is merely your opinion not fact but I totally understand that as a retired nurse you do not want to believe this can happen in 21st century England. LGI has apologised and there is no doubt that standards fell beyond what us acceptable.

Unfortunately the staff on duty that night are unable to comment because it would breech the family’s confidentiality but speaking as a nurse I am convinced this didn’t happen in the way it’s being portrayed. I’m being very careful with my words here because I know how angry people are about this and BJ in particular. The oxygen mask is not a child’s mask so I know this would never had been given to a child and if he was so ill why wasn’t it where it should be. As a mother I would never have allowed my child to be left on the floor anyway. I’ve had many conversations with nurse and doctor friends and colleagues since yesterday and hand on heart nobody has ever seen a patient on the floor. Labaik I’m not convinced BJ is hiding. His security have felt it isn’t safe to attend certain meetings. It’s been widely reported about Momentum supporters breaking down doors and fighting. Just to add I’m will be voting on Thursday but not for one of the main parties so I have no allegiance to any of the leaders.

Being PM is a high pressured job. It requires huge reserves of energy and stamina which Johnson does not appear to have.

Yet another reason to vote for the candidates who will stop Johnson and stop brexit.

I watched the footage and thought Boris looked tired and confused after being bombarded by the journalist. The pressure must be getting to him, as it must to all the other campaigners. Such high stakes this time.

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Taking it out of the political arena does not mean privatisation Dyffryn.

The NHS should NEVER be taken out of the political football. We will all need it someday.

Labour activists were not paid and there were only a few, one of which walked into someone’s outstretched arm by accident. There is so much fake news being peddled on Twitter and Facebook about both of these incidents. How anyone can vote Tory is beyond me. The thought of my children or grandchildren not getting the care that they need quickly is unthinkable. My daughter has been waiting months for a dental operation which should have been done in weeks.

Our racist prime minister adds this to his collection of “othering” minorities.

He is despicable

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