Jo Swinson

Hear hear SirChenjin why is it assumed that small children can only be successfully cared for by their mothers.

I can’t criticise her for being a working mum anymore than I’d criticise her husband for not being a stay at home dad. Having voted Lib-dem for many years, this time they told me they no longer want me in the party because I don’t support their views on the child abuse that goes on under the name of gender identity or the rights of women being as important as the rights of Trans. (I don’t suppose they’d mind my vote though.)
However, I think you can count on Jo Swinson to be a true politician.
I listened to the end of an interview with her when she said that she would review/reconsider her stance on one of the Lib-Dem claims if she was elected.

Don’t they all?

Anrol you have at least acknowledged that parents plural (when there are 2 parents involved) are responsible for raising children, not mums. If it reassures you, my eldest 2 children are now in their twenties and seem remarkably unscathed by being put into nursery by their parents from a very early age. If you have any questions about this ‘unwitting emotional damage’ that DH and I might have caused them please just ask - I’m happy to answer them.

Nicola Sturgeon always looks smart and businesslike. Maybe I go to the wrong weddings but her outfits are things I’d wear for work, not a wedding!

I don’t like Jo Swinson’s politics, she was a staunch supporter of austerity bills, but her career and wardrobe choices are up to her.

I despair with some of the comments on this thread. In 2019 we should not be questioning the role of a working woman as oppose to a man, the way a woman dresses, as oppose to a man, and condemning a woman for doing her best and trying to make a difference in a divided country!
With JS what you see is what you get! I genuinely believe she is honest and trustworthy. Yes, maybe she does lack experience in a leading role but then doesn't everyone have to learn how to fit into a newly promoted position? She has certainly had to deal with some aggressive rhetoric and leading questions during the debates!
And if I hear the comment about Lib Dems being undemocratic again I shall scream! This debate has been flogged to death. Surely with all the evidence we have now and on the knowledge we have gained you cannot rely on a referendum based on lies and untruths from both sides? On my understanding JS only went for the revoke line as the Lib Dems had tried for a second vote 17 times and if, during the general election, the electorate voted for her party that would be a mandate for this action. Maybe this concept was too difficult for many to grasp but, even though I didn't fully agree at the time, I do understand where she was coming from. I respect a politician who can adapt to circumstance and I don't see it as a weakness if you go back to 'Plan A'! Compromise is good!

Hallelujah PoppyRed and N27, I’m with you all the way. The selflessness of being a parent seems to have been overtaken by the me, me, me, must have world we live in. I do worry about emotional damage unwittingly being done to children who spend large portions of their developmental years with others who are not their relatives or parents.

If you read my posts growstuff you'll see that I never criticised Jo Swinson. That was the op. All I said was that when we are discussing the rights of mothers we should also consider the rights and wishes of children. Hard to believe you can criticise me for that.

IMO some of the posts on this thread just show that women can be their own worst enemies. As someone commented earlier we are in the 21st century.

Must admit, the more I see and hear of JS the more I warm to her. She comes across as an honest politician and her party has shown an honest approach, for instance to how they intend to fund their manifesto promises.

As for the OP, I worked when my children were small, as my OH was made redundant when our DS2 was three months old. It was work or benefits for us. I think we made the right choice in the circs.

As others have remarked, JS can well afford childcare. It's just a shame most people are not in that position.

What a awful thing to say. Having had a career am proud of my two children's work ethic, we lead by example, not by over sentimentalisation of childhood.

Children of that age often prefer the company of their friends rather than their parents. They want to fit in with their peers and that often means wearing the right clothes, having the same computer games and being able to talk about holidays rather than eating home-made scones.

When my son was about 8 and I was telling him that we couldn’t afford something he was asking for, I foolishly asked him what he would rather have, mum at home at the end of the school day with freshly baked buns waiting for children to ice and eat or mum out of the house at 7.30 am, kids at the childminder until Bath time and more money. Yes he went for the latter and he wasn’t laughing.

I worked full-time from the time my children were six months old. I didn't have much choice, but I would never have chosen to be a "stay at home" mother because I would have gone bonkers.

That really doesn't mean that I didn't love my children and I don't believe they have suffered long-term. When my marriage broke up when the younger child was three, it meant I still had a career and didn't have to rely on benefits. The person who suffered most was me because I had to do a demanding full-time job and be the best mother I could be. My children's father squirmed out of paying maintenance.

Eventually, my health suffered, but the hardest thing has been the judgmental bats, who seem to think I did it all for my own self-gratification and are against anything which makes parents' lives easier.

So what would you have criticised Jo Swinson for, if she'd been a man Nanny27?

And yet no-one has discussed male politicians, have they? Not on this thread, not on any thread recently. As usual, it’s a woman coming in for criticism from other women - terrible double standards in 2019.

Swinson

The reason I focused on 'mums' in my comment was that we were discussing Jo Swindon and when I last looked she was a woman. Had we been discussing a man I would have adjusted my comment accordingly

I wouldn't fret too much, come Friday she will probably (hopefully) be on the slippery slope out.

It has been reported that working mothers make their children more independent, confident and recognise a work ethic. I guess JS does miss her children and maybe uses the time she does spend with them really count. That aside in this day and age when we are still fighting for women to be paid equally to not be abused if their political persuasion does not suit or not to be abused by powerful men in various industry. All women should have the right to choose what they do if they can, how many decades of female struggles does it take not to be judged and not by especially by other Women! Every woman who has worked whether full time part time when they have children feels some measure of guilt and sadness at certain times they deal with becassue they are working to make a better life which includes if work makes you a happier person .

Did you click on "Post message" too early SirChenjin?

I'm very saddened by the comments from women who still seem to think a woman's place is in the home.

I would just say.. "ask the children what they would like best, see mum occasionally but have more money or see mum daily

I would just say.. "ask the children what they would like best, see mum occasionally but have more money or see mum daily"

Again, more sexist and outdated nonsense. Why ‘mum’ and not ‘dad’? Or ‘parent’ to reflect the fact that families come in all different shapes and colours now?

There's a very good interview with Luciana Berger in the Times in which she talks about why she joined the LibDems, breastfeeding in parliament etc. A very good insight into what it's like being an MP and a mother. We need women in parliament and for that to happen it has to be possible for women to juggle career and motherhood. Look at [is it?] Finland!

I do not like the lady concerned, she does not seem to honest and appears to be a Tory in liberal clothes. She is in the equally unappealing company of Corbyn, Johnson and Farage. However to argue that she should be at home being “a good mother and wife” is a view that I thought or hoped that I left behind 50 or 60 years ago. But then I'm a meer male.

You’re very welcome to join me Nanny27! ??

I would just say.. "ask the children what they would like best, see mum occasionally but have more money or see mum daily" we can argue all day about women's rights but surely it's the children's rights we need to prioritise.