Will the remainers admit defeat?

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I am another remainer that accepted we had lost the referendum as soon as the result was announced. I do not know many remainers who didn't.

I think this idea of 'Remainers (with a capital R) who will not accept defeat is a Leaver construction, conjured up by them to bolster their unease that the result was so marginal.

I think we should just have walked out on 31 December 2016, without any kind of agreement. When you resign membership of a club, you leave when your subscription expires. You do not argue about the terms of your leaving.

I find the Leaver obsession with negotiating terms most peculiar.

Welshwife - you seem in a hurry to have your list of demands delivered immediately. Well I'm afraid you'll have to show some patience. Rome wasn't built in a day you know.

....us remoaners have spent three and a half years now telling you brexit was wrong
And having delayed Brexit for that long you will now have to wait three and a half years before you can start complaining how much better it was when we were in the EU.

Nobody has mentioned Gibraltar yet or the Falklands - or if they have then I have missed it.

Welshwife your friend has nailed it! But when none of it materialises we'll hear the same old "well nobody really thought all that would happen" because the leave voters knew what they were voting for, even seeing through all the lies. I hope things won't be that bad, but I expect I'm more likely to see a squadron of piggies fly over than all that list gets done any time soon
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Oh not another ghastly FB letter telling us what to do.

Why have we become so infantile?

Who are you to tell another poster to ‘give it a rest’?
Just sick of reading virtually the same words posted hundreds of times. Repeating the same thing ad nauseum just gets annoying and makes people switch off.

Stolen from a friend:

“So congratulations if you wanted Boris Johnson as pm.

Please don’t celebrate too much though as you have work to do. You see us remoaners have spent three and a half years now telling you brexit was wrong but we’ve finally and completely lost. There’s pretty much nothing we can do now to stop it.

So, it’s over to you leavers. You need to get yourselves into gear to make it work. We need to see some of these benefits you’ve been able to see yet unable to properly articulate since 2016.

I hope you don’t mind but I’ve taken the liberty of writing a “to do” list for you.

1. Get brexit done please. When we say done we mean as promised so we’ll be looking for trade deals with the EU, Japan, Australia and Canada etc. In fact there’s about 40 deals covering 70 countries that need to be done please. Also with the US that doesn’t involve the nhs or chlorine. We want what you promised us. That was that we’d be no worse off than when we were an EU member. You need to crack on as this was promised by the end of Jan. You have seven weeks.

2. The NHS. We want the cash that was promised please. £350 million per week is about 72000 nurses so please get recruiting. This is important.

3. Scotland. Ok so these guys were promised they would remain in the EU if they remained in the UK. They’re pretty pissed. In fact they’ve voted almost exclusively for the SNP so they might want to leave. Equally you said the UK wouldn’t split so you’ll need to both grant Scotland its independence and keep it as part of the United Kingdom. Good luck squaring this circle. NB This is urgent.

4. Northern Ireland. Oooookay then. You’ve really buggered this one up. There’s a chance they could look to reunify with the republic now because they didn’t want to brexit. Regardless you’ve caused instability there where we and they can least afford it. NB This is also urgent.

5. The economy. Johnson keeps talking about unleashing the potential of the country. We need to see this soon if possible. We don’t want to see the downturn that “project fear” predicted. We don’t want to be poorer. We don’t want to lose out.

6. You’ll also need to “bring the country back together”. This might be tricky as a lot of people seem to be really really angry with each other.

That’s as far as I’ve got. Should keep you busy. So go and get all british about things. Roll up your sleeves, pull your socks up, dig deep and deliver what you promised.

And remember if you fail to deliver any of this it’s on you, brexit and Tory voters. You wanted this so badly and now you have it. We honestly hope we’re wrong and that you can make a success of this but if you can’t then we will forever tell you that we told you so.”

The whole of the UK has been defeated by those who do not have our best interests at heart.

I was a Remainer but I'm not licking my wounds because there's now't you can do with what's happened except try and make the best of a bad job. Hope for the best and expect the worst.

Who are you to tell another poster to ‘give it a rest’?

Give it a rest Jura2. We've heard this argument ad nauseam on these boards. The referendum fight is over. The very point of this thread.

I agree our voting system is flawed. Hence the SNP having far too many MPs for the number of voters...... SNP has 48 MPs for only 1.2 million voters.
They are over represented!

Back in 2015 UKIP had 3.8 million voters and just one MP.

Any wonder there will always be unhappy people.

A larger number of people voted NOT for Johnson, and NOT for Brexit - but our First Past the Post has given Johnson a big majority, disproportionately so.

This is the very nature of politics- you accept the vote- and then keep fighting ...

The reason why so many never accepted the results of the Referendum, was/is because it was quickly proven to have been one on massive lies, deceit, fraud and outside interference (the evidence of which Johnson is still refusing to publish), and the fact it was by a tiny majority.

There were not many protesters but it is still very worrying that there are people who will simply not accept the result of a general election especially one with such a decisive result.

chestnut if there has been problems in London with groups of remain voters, I predict before 31/1/2019 there will be further probs. There would have been probs if the vote had gone the other way too.

Either way, there will be trouble.

Yes Persistentdonor I completely agree, all in all I am pretty p....d of with the whole subject now and thought of things to come.

Very well said, Doodledog

@ Barmyoldbat
I think the history books will show our NHS delivered to the USA, in order to ratify trade agreements with the USA, and that after the UK union has been broken up, England becomes the 51st State of the USA.
But Hey, we have a lying, philandering baboon in number 10, because the electorate who bothered to vote have given him a stonking majority.
So we will sign the papers to leave the EU and suffer years of negotiations.
And yes, I do accept that as the majority decision by the UK's woeful democratic system.

In the referendum I voted to remain. However on Thursday I voted for Boris because I think the Conservatives will do the best for the country. We have to get Brexit done you cannot change the past so I never saw the point of keeping on about it being a bad result, democratically it was what it was and must be accepted . It’s not a democracy if you don’t accept the result even if you don’t like it!

I have voted Conservative all my life. I am not rich, far from it and we were poor in my childhood but I have worked hard all my life and made my life better and made my children’s lives better by giving them all the advantages I could and although not rich either they are certainly not poor, had a good education and have good jobs. Let’s accept where we are going now and make the best of it

‘ oh, er, ar, umm,’ was noticeably absent in Boris’ speeches yesterday. He sounded confident, passionate and determined. I hope he is now able to achieve all he says he plans to do. Cannot be worse than the last three or so years of wrangling, back biting, stalling.

On our Midlands Today local news on the TV yesterday, they asked a man in the street why he had voted the way he did.

The reply? "I voted to get rid of the foreigners"

Says it all really

In answer to the OP's question - I am a remainer, and accepted defeat back in 2016, not happy about leaving, think it is a big mistake, but accepted that that is what was voted for. My big concern now is what kind of deal Boris negotiates with Trump, lets hope he's up to the job.

I do find it very odd that most people seem to think that all young people voted to remain.
In our extended family that was so not true.
The ones that work in the city did vote to stay and are very cross.
The others didn’t, they work in various different areas, building and the military to name two.

To those leavers who thought that it should have been the end of the matter when they answered a simple 'yes' to leaving the European Union, were and still are, misguided. They demonstrate a complete lack of understanding about the hugely complex matters that experts and academics have found difficult to unravel, regarding our withdrawal from the EU. So, to talk about 'winning' in such a puerile way validates the argument that you really didn't know what you were voting for, or the damage you were unleashing on the rest of the Country.

It is a sad day. Not just because we are headed for one of the worst deals ever, which will drag on and on, but because we are a nation of sheep led by donkeys.