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Will the remainers admit defeat?

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Chestnut Fri 13-Dec-19 12:27:27

I have always said that if there was another referendum the country would vote to leave again. We have voted to leave the EU three times!

2016 Referendum - the country voted to leave
2017 General Election - Hung parliament and a bit of a hiccup due to Theresa May running a poor campaign.
2019 European Election - the country voted to leave when the Brexit Party turned the country Brexit blue.
2019 General Election - the country voted to leave with a massive Conservative majority.

How many more times does the country need to say we want to leave the EU?

BlueBelle Sat 14-Dec-19 05:54:10

No Labaik nobody has a clue it’s all about sleepwalking with an ‘oh ah eh ah ummm’ leading us into the wilderness
We ll only know when it’s done (if it ever is) and then it’s too late
Very very sad day

Labaik Fri 13-Dec-19 23:40:17

So, now that Brexit is going to happen will someone please explain to me what exactly IS going to happen because Brexit means Brexit and Brexit is oven ready and will 'get done' but I still don't know exactly what that entails. So can someone fill me in with the details....

Chestnut Fri 13-Dec-19 23:34:46

There's some very aggressive groups of hard left protestors in London tonight causing mayhem. Waving placards and chanting anti-Boris slogans, in violent clashes with the Police. These people are a disgrace. They really don't understand democracy.

GagaJo Fri 13-Dec-19 22:54:32

Not soon. Not before at least 2021.

lemongrove Fri 13-Dec-19 22:51:20

I think most Remainers already accept that Brexit will happen soon now, after this GE.
You would have to be pretty dozy not to accept it.
That doesn’t mean being happy about it, that’s another thing entirely.

Yehbutnobut Fri 13-Dec-19 22:38:19

Disasterous deal. Better ones would have been available but this is what we are lumbered with.

Doodledog Fri 13-Dec-19 22:22:59

I am so sick of talk of winning and losing, or admitting defeat.

This is not a game, it is something that a lot of older people have foisted on a lot of unwilling young people, who bitterly resent it. It has soured relations between the generations, probably for most of our lifetimes, and, as such, will impact on the old age of many, many people, and will have a huge impact on people who were too young to have a say in the referendum.

It may or may not turn out to be as bad as a lot of people fear, but it is incredibly dismissive and contemptuous not to at least acknowledge that those fears exist, and are very real for those who hold them.

It doesn't matter whether Remainers accept the situation or not. We are having it thrust upon us against our will, and are expected to sit back and see the UK split up, and our EU citizenships nullified.

If there had been a referendum for making the UK a communist republic (or for banning the speaking of English in favour of Esperanto, or enforcing euthanasia on the over 70s) and the other 'side' got more votes than you did, would you say nothing and refuse to try to alter the situation for reasons of democratic principle, or would you keep trying to get your point of view across until the very last minute?

Summerlove Fri 13-Dec-19 19:06:34

67% is pathetic and Sad.
People who choose not to vote baffle me

oldgimmer1 Fri 13-Dec-19 17:56:21

@grammareto I agree.

67% turnout is shocking (even though we're probably missing the point).

ginny Fri 13-Dec-19 16:37:11

I voted remain and would do the same if I were to vote again but I accepted the outcome 3 years ago in the same way I accept yesterday’s vote. So I wish people would stop saying the opposite.

Grammaretto Fri 13-Dec-19 16:30:47

Why don't people vote? 67% voted which is only 2 thirds of those eligible. 31 million
Even friends of mine had to be reminded there was an election yesterday. They are totally switched off.
Should voting be compulsory or is that another thread?

At least people on here care about what happens even if they don't agree.

GrandmaMoira Fri 13-Dec-19 16:17:19

Chestnut - whilst some Remainers have been rude about Leavers, Leavers have also been rude about Remainers. We know that Brexit will go ahead now and many think it a good idea, but I am still most unhappy at what I, and many others, see as a disaster with our country becoming much poorer and a worse future for our children and grandchildren. We are going into a dark tunnel, not coming out of one.

Barmeyoldbat Fri 13-Dec-19 16:15:11

I could accept leave if we had some trade agreements in place or could still trade with the EU. Otherwise it seems so stupid to leave such a large trading block for what?

endlessstrife Fri 13-Dec-19 16:13:58

There’s 70, 000,000 people in the country Bluebelle, but they can’t all vote, eg children, the mentally ill, those who chose not to, etc.

Welshwife Fri 13-Dec-19 15:53:34

The troubles in NI were caused by the fact that The six counties did not want to be joined to Eire - not exactly a default position!

Greta Fri 13-Dec-19 15:53:08

Just heard BJ reiterate all the things he is going to do: invest in NHS, social services, schools etc. I still find it difficult to understand what has stopped us addressing these issues up to now.
People who voted remain do not need to "admit defeat". What an immature notion. They may one day be proven right since Brexit has by no means "been done". I have never heard a single leave voter admit that the 2016 referendum was fraudulent and that in another democratic country it would never have been allowed. It was conducted in such a poor manner, both before the actual vote and after. Not how a democratic nation behaves.

We must now hope that our Prime Minister can prove that he is a man of substance and that he really will change things for the better – that means addressing injusticies and improving life for everybody.

Summerlove Fri 13-Dec-19 15:47:26

No sour grapes please growstuff ( it’s unbecoming you know) ?

Almost as unbecoming as a poor “winner”?

Jabberwok Fri 13-Dec-19 15:42:13

Why does the breakup of the union matter so much? If the people of both countries want to go their own way so be it! NI is only part of the UK by default, and hearing in mind they can't even organise a functioning government, they would probably be far better off being absorbed into the Republic. As for Scotland! They were an independent country for centuries before the union of the crown, and the following act of union a hundred and three years later, so presumably they could become an independent country again if that's what they wish. Wales too. Again they also were once an independent country, so, if that's what people want, why not?! I don't see that any problem!

Welshwife Fri 13-Dec-19 15:38:49

I heard a Tory this morning telling us that Boris Johnson will now give the details of his manifesto - once again people voted without knowing the whole story.

growstuff Fri 13-Dec-19 15:23:52

Only history will be able to judge trisher.

BTW Did a faint breeze just whistle through the citrus grove? wink

trisher Fri 13-Dec-19 15:09:05

I do wonder how much of a victory this can be counted when two out of the 4 countries in the Union showed very much that they did not want Brexit. It seems likely that N Ireland will eventually become part of a united Ireland and Scotland will want independence. The result then will not be "Brexit" but some sort of Eng+Wales Exit. So who has won in this?

Chestnut Fri 13-Dec-19 14:59:58

Moira - there are plenty of people who don't think this is a disaster for the country, and who want to work towards a brighter future. Up until now the remainers have been very vocal in their put-downs towards leavers, calling them ignorant and not knowing what they voted for. Now after three years of arguments and abuse I hope they will stop trying to block Brexit and let it go ahead. When we come out of the dark tunnel they may be pleasantly surprised at how bright the sunshine is!

Cindersdad Fri 13-Dec-19 14:54:46

All the Brexit polls were based on untruthful propaganda. Wait till Brexit proven undeliverable and other promises are broken.

Boris can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time. Sooner or later you will find the people see through your lies and they will not be happy!

GrandmaMoira Fri 13-Dec-19 14:39:18

Ever since the advisory referendum, Leavers have been crowing over Remainers with their "we won, you lost, get over it" comments and attitudes.
Remainers are still entitled to be very upset about what is happening. They accept what has happened but cannot be forced to be happy about what appears to be a disaster for the future of the country.

lemongrove Fri 13-Dec-19 14:34:52

aprilrose tchgrin

No sour grapes please growstuff ( it’s unbecoming you know) ?