Will the remainers admit defeat?

There are thousands of other issues to consider MawB but this thread is about the referendum and election results and for that we are leavers or remainers, with some people still unable to accept that the result was not what they wanted.

Will people now stop dividing our society into Remainers and Leavers and focus instead on “haves” and “havre-nots” and concentrate their energies on social injustice here and abroad.
I am sick of the infighting and backbiting and jibes and recriminations. Look at Syria, look at the refugees risking their lives in little boats and realise that whatever your views on Brexit - there are so many so much worse off. ?

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Well, I am a remainer who will fight tooth and nail to remain. The prospect of remaining in an undemocratic, divided, Brexited UK feels me with dread, while the prospect of a free Scotland. an equal member of the EU in her own right, gives me hope.

Well said, Greta8. To claim victory at this stage based on ”Get Brexit Done” is surely foolish. There are too many imponderables and the notion that the UK will have the upper hand in future negotiations with the EU and the rest of the world is equally foolish, in my opinion. What is lacking is a sense of realism.

Chestnut - I think the situation is rather more nuanced than defeat or victory. Yes we will be leaving the EU - whether that will prove to be a good or bad thing will play out over the decades to come. It is interesting to see that the Conservative government have already take the opportunity to water down workers rights in the Bill. No-one can know for sure what will happen. Most of us have already moved on considerably from the Referendum result to try to prepare to deal with the consequences, good or bad, for the younger members of our families.

Today is the day of the Withdrawal Agreement Bill this morning.

So here it is, Merry Xmas
Everybody's having fun
Look to the future now
It's only just begun!

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Read my original post varian. The country has voted three times to leave.
Will the remainers admit defeat? Clearly the answer is no for some people.
Were you banging your drum in 1997 when Tony Blair won his first election with only 43.2%? Or do you only bang it when the result is not what you want?

The country has not voted to leave. This year both in the EU election and the general election, most voters supported parties which were either pro-remain or pro-second referendum, confirming what polls have shown for the past three years.

" Cannot be worse than the last three or so years of wrangling, back biting, stalling." Quoted.

Yes it can! Have you forgotten Spain, Germany, and Italy when people were so disaffected they voted for charismatic right wingers?

Yes, but what about all the others?

I believe that the coalition government of 2010-2015 was very much better than the unfettered Tory government of the last four years.

And I forgot to mention Northern Ireland. Very nearly three years without an effective government because the power sharers have fallen out.

In democratic countries many parties are represented in their parliaments and they have to co-operate for the good of the country,

You mean countries like Israel, Belgium or Italy? Israel is about to have its third election in a year. Belgium was without a government for 549 days because the parties could not agree. Italy has had at least 61 adminstrations since 1945.

And I seem to remember that our coalition wasn't exactly the mosts successful government we have ever seen.

And they are the very people who claim this country is undemocratic Chestnut.

Spot on Smileless, we have see this last year minority groups causing gridlock in the HoC. Nobody wants that. People are not willing to accept a majority vote any more.

varian - If PR had led to UKIP MPs being elected they would soon have been shown to be the charlatans they are
Nobody knows what would have happened. You can take a guess just like anyone else, but stop posting speculation as if it were hard fact.

Why not? There are remainers who as the result of the referendum showed were in the minority, who have been attempting to impose their will on the country ever since the result was declared!

I democratic countries many parties are represented in their parliaments and they have to co-operate for the good of the country, which is as it should be.

No minority can impose its will on the country in the way our brexitories seem to have done.

It all sounds lovely but in reality there would be endless squabbling as we have seen in the HoC this year. Nothing would get done because there would be so much disagreement.

Proportional Representation is democratic. A party gets the number of MPs elected in proportion to its votes. No Party can be given absolute power by a minority of voters as the Tories now have.

Our national tragedy and failure is the adversarial two party system so loved by the media which excludes third and fourth parties, especially those who are moderate and not extreme and are not supported either by the wealthy vested interests or the unions.

I don't dispute that. If PR had led to UKIP MPs being elected they would soon have been shown to be the charlatans they are and we would not have had Farage continuing his lies under the name of another party.

varian - .....you must know that FPTP is an undemocratic electoral system which can deliver an elective dictatorship on the basis of a minority vote.
And you have admitted on another thread, haven't you varian, that UKIP should have had 75 MPs in Parliament in 2015 instead of just one? That was according to your calculations. And you keep repeating that same mantra over and over.

Atqui - But only 48% of vote was pro Brexit and 52% pro remain ( or 2nd ref) so reverse of the 2016 ref.
Are you now saying that Tony Blair should not have been Prime Minister when he had a majority of only 43.2% of votes in 1997?

In answer to the OP’s question, judging by comments on this and other threads, NO.

Surely by now, if you are a granny who has paid any attention to politics, you must know that FPTP is an undemocratic electoral system which can deliver an elective dictatorship on the basis of a minority vote.