Trump impeached after historic vote.

Obama has just as much of shtick going on as Trump, that whole buy into me type personality- And people do buy into it- those that like wool pulled over their eyes

But as a president Obama was timid- He bailed out the banks and placed the burden of that "debt" on American citizens-

Obama. What a credit he, and his wife, were to America.

Joe Biden said he wouldn't comply with a Senate subpoena in the impeachment trial ..

No, I didn't mean that at all- I meant what I wrote-

People who went unnoticed altogether supported Obama-

Even if all he gives these people is nothing more than lip service it's better than being ignored ???

You mean ‘these people’ are that stupid?

I think it's an unfortunate circumstance but not a witch hunt- The impeachment process itself has nothing to do with crusades against a president for his beliefs or opinions, spoken or tweeted written-

That's not to say there isn't a witch hunt in the works but it's separate from the impeachment process itself-

As far as his popularity is concerned, he has strong support from folks that previously went unnoticed by past administrations- Obama's most recently These folks may not show up in popularity polls but do show up at his campaign rallies and more importantly cast their vote come election day- Even if all he gives these people is nothing more than lip service it's better than being ignored-

Currently, he doesn't have enough going against him to lose the next election- oddly enough But that could change drastically with Obama care on the chopping block- Lip service vs healthcare, it wouldn't be a tough decision for many..

Lilyflower in the spirit of the season OH NO THEY HAVEN’T!

This was today’s popularity rating. In case you can’t read it the top line (Orange) is disapproval.

Trump himself has said his popularity ratings are the highest ever! ??? which might be where you got your misinformation.

Posters are banned for the way they disagree far, far more often than because they have a different opinio. In fact I don't think I have ever seen a post that was banned for the honest opinion that was expressed.

However, I have read some (subsequently deleted) ones that would make your hair curl with sheer ignorance and prejudice, and would have put the posters into illegality had they been face-to-face and not anonymous. (I suspect that some were there just because the poster was anonymous and thought they could say whatever they liked, then sit back to enjoy the disgust)

There are none like that on this thread, just opposing views on the current POTUS.

The USA is a vast continent, whose inhabitants range in wealth from billionaires to down-and-outs, and who vary from one another in many other respects too. The conditions, experiences and views of one persons own circle of friends is not necessarily the same as those of a different person, living in a different area among people of a different social, genetic and fiscal class.

"Statistically 90% of all social media forums such as this one are remainer and liberal progressive in terms of those who post to them"

Really *aprilrose"????

Where does that statistic come from? (please don't say you read it in the Daily Express) A link to an authoritative survey would be interesting to see.

Statistically 90% of all social media forums such as this one are remainer and liberal progressive in terms of those who post to them. This one is no different - read and make note if you dont believe me.

I do see you as the enemy to be honest. I find that if you do not agree in general with the big voices here you get attacked in all sorts of ways - they are personal attacks too.

Thats leaving aside the R and B comments that always seem to be the first go to of those with little real argument for their views.

I have even seen some posters ( not of my persuasions) go to the lengths of getting posters banned by making multiple complaints . If that isn't a refusal to accept other points of view I do not know what is. Its hardly friendly.

I am happy to agree to disagree . I just make my own points. Lets face it neither of us is going to convince the other are we?

Trump's popularity ratings have gone through the roof. Unintended consequences.

aprilrose I have to disagree again with you, but then I suppose it depends on the circles you move in. The people I choose to meet tend to be educated to degree level or work in public services and hold strong views on human rights and compassion, the word you sneer at,

Firstly if you view others who have different opinions as the ‘enemy’ then that is disgraceful.

Secondly the idea that you use GN to see how the ‘minority’ (check your stats while you are at it) justify their ‘apauling’ [sic] ideas is laughable. You came on expecting others to agree and instead they pointed out your misconceptions.

I think you are just digging yourself into a deeper hole.

I have a house in the USA. It belongs to my husband really - sorry. I dont have that kind of money!

The only place I see such strong anti Trump feeling is on sites like GN. The people I see and meet in the US are very different. Thats all I can say.

But of course, the views here on GN are very different to those I encounter daily concerning Brexit too. Only here ( with the exception of a few has been and thwarted politicians) do you hear negatives about Brexit.

I come here just to see how the minority are thinking. How they justify their often apauling ideas ( very often done as some sort of moral high ground of compassion - although the idea of compassion presented speaks to me of social control more often). It is is useful to know how your
" enemy" thinks of things at times.

Aren't there more Democrats than Republicans in Congress overall?

Every president that faced impeachment did so for good reason regardless of party- I do understand how it can appear like sour grapes, because it is sour grapes to some degree .. but it's 99.9% duty-

I've lived in the US (I don't now) BUT a lot of my extended family do. Racism is worse under Trump. The poor are becoming poorer, can't access healthcare, education standards are sliding.

This from my family who DO live there.

I think everyone here has the right to their opinion as long as it's done respectfully. It's perfectly all right to disagree but let's not make assumptions about the motives of others.

I've never felt like a loser much less be sour about it. Many of us, myself included have also been born and raised right here in the US, so it's safe to assume I know quite a bit more about what goes on here.

Really aprilrose? My multi-ethnic family is half African American and I can assure you that not a single one of them thinks Trump is good in any way. Whereas, some of them were helped under Obama with educational programmes for preschoolers and also with affordable healthcare.

Now, they face even more racism than usual and lots of the programmes to support children and the vulnerable have been cancelled. Just as happened/is happening now in the UK under the Conservatives (this week they have voted to reduce council tax discounts for those on low incomes).

aprilrose The House has a Democrat majority but the Senate has a Republican majority, so you are mistaken to claim "You know as well as I do that Congress is democrat and they are still sour at having lost the election". Moreover, Hillary Clinton won the popular vote (by nearly 3 million), but the way the Electoral College was established skewed that.

aprilrose can you explain what Trump has done to make the US better?

You can’t ‘know’ that much if you think he hasn’t been impeached

I know I am outnumbered here but I do know a little bit about how the USA works. I also have spent time there. I also know that in this forum the socialist liberal regressive agrenda is operational.

Its the same anti agenda you find about Boris and the Conservatives.

I like Trump. I like Boris. Both may seem buffoons but they have done much more for their countries than Obama did or May or Cameron or even Blair ( no forget Blair, he did a lot to destroy Britain).

Now take a sharp deep breath and lets disagree.

I also have noticed that the bitter losers are still bitter both sides of the Atlantic.

And yes, he has been impeached. The next stage is the trial.

aprilrose you don’t have to ‘agree’ with willa it is a matter of public record that Mitch McConnell has said that. Also no one is ‘sour’ about losing the ejection, just disgusted with the moron in the White House.

Any half decent president wouldn’t be causing so much grief by his idiot tweets and behaviour. He is clearly certifiable.

I do not agree with you Willa45 - and I know a lot of others who disagree with you too on that assessment of yours. You know as well as I do that Congress is democrat and they are still sour over having lost the election.

Nancy Pelosi is unable to move forward because Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell declared publicly that he is NOT impartial and that key witnesses will be blocked from testifying.

Democrats are not using the system to their own ends and many independents and Republicans support impeachment. (I am a registered Republican, by the way). Trump's remaining supporters can no longer defend his bad behavior, so they now attack the Impeachment process instead.

The articles describe unequivocal, questionable behavior that threatens our National Security. The mere appearance of such impropriety is always a matter for scrutiny. Under these circumstances, our elected representatives have a sworn duty to follow the Constitution and to proceed accordingly and that is what they are doing.