Damage done to the UK ALREADY following the elction

No I do not have control issues.
Neither am I or ever have been a head girl.
Neither am I seeking to inflame.
I have dipped in and out adding a few thoughts on the issues of the day.
I have given my thoughts honestly, based on personal experience and my personal values. For this I have been castigated, accused of being a Tory campaigner and now inflaming.
I try to respect peoples points of view and not make personal attacks on people.
Talk is easy hiding behind unknown names. Actions speak louder.
So bye.. you'll not hear from me again.

We are WAY past the Labour/Conservative discussion Opal. We have a government now. The election is old news. What is NOW under discussion, are the things that are hurting the poor and vulnerable in our country.

No one minds you having an alternative opinion. But if that opinion is shut up anyone that doesn't agree with me or all the things you're saying are 'left wing propaganda' when in fact the things being posted are FACTUAL. Things that are currently either under discussion or being effected in the HOC that are having an adverse affect on the poor and needy in Britain, then telling us to 'shut up' is inappropriate.

If you would like to post some FACTS (include the url of links so we can read the articles about it) NO ONE would mind.

But shut up and left wing propaganda is just childish throwing of toys out of the pram.

Caring for ones country and commiserating with the less fortunate are not mutually exclusive Opal.

I care very much for my country and consider myself very fortunate to have been born here. The reason I care so much is because I had always assumed that the UK was populated by pragmatic people, who had an underlying belief in fairness and caring for all. Those beliefs are being seriously challenged by our government and some of the posters on here.

I hate flag-waving jingoism and refusing to see that "our" way of life is not the only one and that those who were born here down "own" the land. We are here by chance.

I have never been a "pro Labour" supporter and have sometimes been very critical of the Labour Party. Nevertheless, I get lumped in with those pesky "lefties" because I try to view things from a non-party political perspective.

I had hoped for intelligent and rational discussion on GN and it's obvious there are many like-minded posters on here. Unfortunately, too many threads are deliberately scuppered by the Botanical Bullies and their ilk.

If it was left-wing propaganda or if the two people where actual making a point contesting what has been said Opal then they would be entering a discussion as others did on your thread. No one, certainly not me, believes one argument should not be contested by another. Perhaps you would like to tell us Opal where this has happened on this thread. All I can see is a lot of foot stamping and two people shouting "Stop it, stop it. You may not discuss these things at Christmas."

Perhaps you would like to enter what is always on GN, as far as I understand, an open discussion just as yours was, and tell us where the OP is wrong or what mediates those actions or anything you feel you could add to the discussion or are you too trying simply to close it down. There is a difference.

Opal some people categorically don't do that. You cannot count yourself as one of them.

Wow, the short memories and hypocrisy on this thread are unbelievable. Do you remember when I started a thread a few weeks ago about "everything that is right in the UK"? And sure enough, the doom mongers and nay sayers herded onto the thread to point out everything that was wrong with the UK, not what is right with it, and what was meant as a feelgood thread soon turned into a political, bitchy and sniping thread for pro EU and pro Labour supporters. The rest of us were ripped apart for expressing our love of our country, rather than constantly commiserating with the less fortunate. Why did some posters join THAT thread if all they wanted to do was destroy it? Yes, I too am so fed up with this sort of behaviour on here and also hope the idea of stopping others doing and saying anything they want to do will stop - but that's not gonna happen, is it, because most of you just don't want to accept that others have different political views. According to you, all Conservative voters are uncaring and selfish - which is simply not true. So yes, suck it up, your left wing propaganda WILL be challenged, just as you challenge others with your holier than thou beliefs.

Tooting, just when were you made head-girl? It's quite ridiculous to tell others what they may and may not talk about because you are celebrating a festival which may or may not be something they celebrate.

No one is ranting except Tooting who seems to have some sort of control issue. Some comments are only there in an attempt to destroy what other people want to talk about. You knew the OP; why join the thread if all you want to do is destroy it?

Jane 10 and Tooting are just trying to inflame something that others wanted. How selfish can you get? I am so fed up with this sort of behaviour on here. I do hope the idea of stopping others doing and saying what they want to do and say will stop in the new year.

Why don't those who don't like criticisms of Conservative actions stick to their Prosecco and pigs in blankets?

Highlighting ways people who have rubbish lives will suffer 365 days of the year, including Christmas Day, is not "intolerance of other viewpoints and dismissing of other peoples views". It's not a game.

Maybe Marley's Ghost should have left Scrooge to have a good sleep on Christmas Eve.

Just read the title as "Damage done to turkey already".

I should hope so too ?

Merry Christmas Jane.

Feel better now Gaga? Lovely

Jane10, patronising AND uncaring. The Tories would be so proud.

Good effort Tooting29 but they'll never get your point. Just let them rant on. They won't change anything but it'll maybe make them feel better.

Tooting If you would like to post a viewpoint explaining why all the things that have been posted are completely acceptable and OK I will read it and consider it. However if all you are doing is saying others are at fault for pointing out and condemning what is happening I will simply ignore you. There may be caring Conservatives but it isn't caring to allow the poorest and weakest to suffer and to keep quiet.
As for the 'season of good will', could you point out which part of your post exhibits this?

Tooting people are allowed to express themselves, not fair to police what others talk about or when. You don't have to read it, others like myself may want to and be appreciative of the information.

Well thanks ladies for the pounding. Yes I appreciate that poverty and disadvantaged people have a tough time all year round. Yes there are things is this country that need fixing and yes the election result was not to everyone's liking. And sounding off on Gransnet is somehow going to miraculously change all that.
If you care do something rather than sound off on Gransnet.
Not all conservative voters are bad uncaring people.
The labour party do not necessarily have all the answers.
And when I said give it a rest on Christmas day. I meant the intolerance of other viewpoints and dismissing of other peoples views. Whether you keep Christmas or not it is supposed to be the season of good will and perhaps we can start here.
Rant over.

Doodledog Exactly!

Give it a rest ladies its Christmas Day.

Isn't Christmas Day, for those who celebrate it for religious reasons, about marking the birth of a man who stood for compassion, loving thy neighbour, and generally looking our for one another? Is there a better day to assess the situation we are in, and think of ways to make things better for people in need of help?

Tooting29 (Wed 25-Dec-19 18:32:44) Give it a rest ladies its Christmas Day.

Yes Tooting, ours as well as yours.

Me too Starblaze. Although, tbh, I think I still am. I feel selfish saying it, but mostly I'm OK financially. But there are LOTS of people that aren't. And we now live in a country that doesn't want to help them. Scary times.

I used to be a very optimistic person until I realised I wasn't wholly in control of my own destiny....

Tooting29, not sure families in B&B hostels are having a great Christmas, or rough sleepers or the disabled, waiting for carers to go in - possibly the only face they'll see all day, for 30 minutes.

Those that HATE Jeremy Corbyn should remember, he spends Christmas day at his local homeless hostel.

starblaze I think it’s because they are optimists who truly don’t want to have their rose coloured glasses knocked off.

If they’ve never experienced something, it can to too outrageous to believe.

Tooting, if the subject isn’t to your liking, you’re always able to enjoy Christmas offline...why look at a thread and call people out? As you recommend, “give it a rest”.

GagaJo I agree but this seems to be a site that bears out the statisics about older people being right wing. It is hard to fight ageist comments on other sites and forums about older people being selfish and not caring for the least fortunate after five minutes on a Gransnet political thread.
No one is going to respond directly to any threads you put up. Facts are mean and people don't want to deal with them. Far easier just to go to 'Corbyn didn't sing the National Anthem that one time' than consider how many more premature deaths there are going to be and what we are going to do when the NHS has gone.
Good try and I commend you for your resilience in not giving up.

I find it deeply saddening, I also find it very hard to understand why people would rather cry "scaremongering" or insult the OP and anyone showing the slightest worry or empathy than just not comment and not look totally heartless.