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GagaJo Thu 26-Dec-19 19:35:15

Rough sleeper gives birth to twins outside wealthiest Cambridge college. Woman delivered premature babies in front of Trinity College on Monday

A homeless woman gave birth to premature twins while sleeping rough outside Cambridge University’s wealthiest college.

The woman, believed to be about 30, gave birth outside Trinity College. She was helped by members of the public, who called an ambulance, according to reports.

A witness told Cambridge News she had seen the new mother and her two children wrapped up in blankets inside ambulances when she cycled past at about 7.15am on Monday.

“They were all in the ambulances by the time I cycled past,” she said. “My workmate was first on the scene, and luckily Sainsbury’s was open early that morning and she ran in there for help.

“I’m hoping she gets given somewhere to live and the babies are ok. With what people are doing right now with Corbyn’s Christmas Challenge [a social media fundraising effort in response to Labour’s election defeat] what happened is very relevant to many people.”

Is rough sleeping getting worse?

The government claims rough sleeping in England fell for the first time in eight years in 2018, from 4,751 in 2017 to 4,677. But the body that oversees the quality of official statistics in the UK has said the number should not be trusted after 10% of councils changed their counting methods. Rough sleeping in London has hit a record high, with an 18% rise in 2018-19.

The numbers of people sleeping rough across Scotland have also risen, with 2,682 people reported as having slept rough on at least one occasion.

Shelter, whose figures include rough sleepers and people in temporary accommodation, estimate that overall around 320,000 people are homeless in Britain.

What’s being done about rough sleeping?

The government’s Homelessness Reduction Act 2017, which places new duties on state institutions to intervene earlier to prevent homelessness has been in force for more than a year, but two thirds of councils have warned they cannot afford to comply with it. In 2018, James Brokenshire, the housing secretary, announced a one-off £30m funding pot for immediate support for councils to tackle rough sleeping.

How does the law treat rough sleepers?

Rough sleeping and begging are illegal in England and Wales under the Vagrancy Act 1824, which makes ‘wandering abroad and lodging in any barn or outhouse, or in any deserted or unoccupied building, or in the open air, or under a tent, or in any cart or wagon, and not giving a good account of himself or herself’ liable to a £1,000 fine. Leading homelessness charities, police and politicians have called on the government to scrap the law.

Since 2014, councils have increasingly used public space protection orders to issue £100 fines. The number of homeless camps forcibly removed by councils across the UK has more than trebled in five years, figures show, prompting campaigners to warn that the rough sleeping crisis is out of control and has become an entrenched part of life in the country.

Is austerity a factor in homelessness?

A Labour party analysis has claimed that local government funding cuts are disproportionately hitting areas that have the highest numbers of deaths among homeless people. Nine of the 10 councils with the highest numbers of homeless deaths in England and Wales between 2013 and 2017 have had cuts of more than three times the national average of £254 for every household.

What are the health impacts of rough sleeping?

A study of more than 900 homeless patients at a specialist healthcare centre in the West Midlands found that they were 60 times more likely to visit A&E in a year than the general population in England.

Homeless people were more likely to have a range of medical conditions than the general population. While only 0.9% of the general population are on the register for severe mental health problems, the proportion was more than seven times higher for homeless people, at 6.5%.

Just over 13% of homeless men have a substance dependence, compared with 4.3% of men in the general population. For women the figures were 16.5% and 1.9% respectively. In addition, more than a fifth of homeless people have an alcohol dependence, compared with 1.4% of the general population. Hepatitis C was also more prevalent among homeless people.

Sarah Marsh, Rajeev Syal and Patrick Greenfield

East of England ambulance service told Cambridge News that paramedics went to the scene just before 7am on Monday. The woman and her children were taken to Rosie hospital, a specialist maternity hospital on the outskirts of Cambridge.

Research by the Guardian last year identified Trinity as the wealthiest of all the colleges in both Oxford and Cambridge Universities, with published assets at the time of £1.3bn.

A crowdfunding campaign set up to raise money for the woman decried Cambridge as a place of “extraordinary inequality”. Jess Agar, who started the fundraiser, wrote: “Imagine giving birth alone on the pavement, in the shadow of the richest college in Cambridge.

“Whether we are religious or not, many of us will be familiar with the Christmas story of a mother who gave birth to her child in poverty, seeking refuge in a stable. This is the reality for many people living on the streets.”

Contributors have so far donated more than £9,000.

uk.yahoo.com/news/rough-sleeper-gives-birth-twins-144402965.html

NatashaGransnet (GNHQ) Sun 29-Dec-19 10:37:00

Hi all,

It seems the conversation is getting a little off-topic and turning into a bunfight. Please refrain from personal comments - it'd be great to get the thread back on track. smile

GagaJo Sun 29-Dec-19 10:42:53

Who'd have thought a bunch of grannies would be such radgies, eh?!

trisher Sun 29-Dec-19 10:49:15

My dad worked in a mental health hospital in the 50's. He did the accounts. When they were set up these institutions were supposed to be self supporting with the inhabitants working in the farm, market garden or kitchen (which was seen as being good for their recovery). The staff were allowed to use the facilities which included a bowling green, tennis courts and a snooker hall. I was taken there on a Saurday to play tennis I remember seeing a line of women walking around the bowling green and being terrified because they were "loonies". I realise now they were just a line of old women some of whom probably had dementia.
One of the problems with care in the community is the firms trying to make profits and cutting staff and training to do it.

GracesGranMK3 Sun 29-Dec-19 10:56:34

One of the problems with care in the community is the firms trying to make profits and cutting staff and training to do it.

Wouldn't that be more of a problem with privatisation rather than the actual care? Even privatisation can work if you realise it is not going to cost you any less than doing it any other way and, in order to allow for "profit" and proper training, and sufficient staff, it is likely to cost you more.

Governments have acted like Pontious Pilate and tried to have clean hands while others did their dirty work. We need to ensure the government/s know we hold them, not the companies, accountable.

lemongrove Sun 29-Dec-19 11:38:44

....and I hope that after a good night’s sleep no poster will
Continue to derail the thread with pedantry or nit picking for the sake of it.It’s Christmas after all, peace and goodwill to all on GN.tchsmile
On the subject of the thread ( homelessness of a pregnant woman) I did think it was highly doubtful that the council wouldn’t have offered her a flat or house or evenB&B as a last resort.
Single people are the ones at the bottom of the pile when it comes to housing.

inkycog Sun 29-Dec-19 12:49:20

Gaga, where on earth did you find the word radgie? Are you of Roma origin or perhaps Aspatria?

MaizieD Sun 29-Dec-19 14:04:01

I've always understood 'radgied' to be a variation of 'enraged'. 'Radgies' being 'enraged' persons and a 'radgie' being a 'rage'. Quite common here in the NE.

And I haven't a clue how it's meant to be spelled; I've only ever heard it spoken. I like Gagajo's version grin

Stansgran Sun 29-Dec-19 14:05:59

What does radgie mean?and where's Aspatria? Don't want to google in case my iPad would be uncomfortablesmile

vinasol Sun 29-Dec-19 14:09:00

Poor woman. Those little babies brought into the world without a home. It's all so very sad.

Barmeyoldbat Sun 29-Dec-19 14:19:12

I just think how awful that poor woman felt lying on a cold pavement and about to give birth and no privacy. Awful what ever the circumstances were that led her to that situation

Callistemon Sun 29-Dec-19 14:50:52

trisher some of those old ladies may have been in there since they were very young women and were made pregnant - put away by their families and forgotten, their babies taken away. The fathers, of course, carried on blithely with their lives.
Poor souls.

I hope this young woman and her babies receive the help they need.

Callistemon Sun 29-Dec-19 14:56:36

Stansgran at the risk of getting a virus I googled Aspatria

Although it sounds as if it's a town in the Roman Empire it is a parish in Workington, Cumbria.

The name Aspatria is apparently Scandinavian in origin.
(Sounds Latin to me)

growstuff Sun 29-Dec-19 22:45:25

Unfortunately, I don't think most posters understand the issues which lead to homelessness. This must have been on of the most depressing threads I have ever followed.

Eloethan Mon 30-Dec-19 00:12:13

My husband worked for several years as a nurse for people with learning disabilities. My first job was in the office of a psychiatric hospital where I came into contact with many residents - some chronically ill and permanent and some "occasional" residents admitted during times of crisis.

There were certainly faults with these large hospitals because they were often (though not always) in somewhat isolated locations. In some hospitals residents were unlikely to get the opportunity to have a normal degree of participation in the community and became very institutionalised.

The idea of "care in the community" was, I think, probably a good idea put forward by well meaning individuals such as Esther Rantzen, but the reality was different. To really benefit people with mental health or disability issues it required more, not less, money. In practice, many people who would have had the safety net of a short admission to a hospital during times of crisis, are now often left to their own devices, leaving their lives to plummet out of control - unless, they obviously pose a danger to others.

I believe that care in the community is largely privatised now and it appears that the various sites - whether they be individual accommodation or small residential homes - are very poorly monitored. Working with people who may have very high needs and possibly challenging behaviour requires intelligence, sensitivity and skill. It seems that, judging from some of the secret footage filmed in a few of these residences, very unsuitable people are being employed - and probably on low wages.

growstuff Mon 30-Dec-19 05:50:15

One of the first people to suggest moving away from large institutions was Enoch Powell in the early 1960s.

Joelsnan Mon 30-Dec-19 05:54:54

Which method is right? There are obviously faults with both ideologies. It is just very sad that many with mental health issues form a sizeable majority of the homeless.

growstuff Mon 30-Dec-19 06:06:39

To be fair, Eloethan some of the people employed in the old "asylums" weren't very suitable either and many were unqualified. Remember "One Flew over the Cuckoo Nest"? As I wrote above, one of my sisters worked in one as a manager. Her first priority was to change working practices, so that people were treated humanely. It was a difficult job because some people had worked there for decades and working practices were entrenched and there was much resistance. I agree with you that care of the mentally ill and those with learning disabilities requires skill and sensitivity, but it's seen as a low skill job. It shouldn't be done in the community to save money.

BTW institutions for people with mental health issues and learning disabilities were (and are) different, although some people have both.

growstuff Mon 30-Dec-19 06:10:27

Incarcerating people isn't the answer.

growstuff Mon 30-Dec-19 06:25:47

This article about care in the community is worth reading:

academic.oup.com/bmb/article/79-80/1/245/327153

It was written in 2006, but I couldn't find anything similar which was more up-to-date. It doesn't reflect the more recent privatisation and cost-cutting.

GracesGranMK3 Mon 30-Dec-19 09:01:58

Which method is right? There are obviously faults with both ideologies.

That's the point, isn't it. One size never fits all and we have moved from a time when people thought it acceptable to try. We are changing too slowly in so many areas and how did we allow "paperwork" and the collection of meaningless or unused data to absorb our budgets of time and money.

We seem to have moved onto just mental health but the issues of homelessness are not just because of this. For some, living on the streets is the most sane choice they have of those available. Our shame, and our so called leaders shame, should be in the lack of some of the simplest solutions and the unacceptability of many that are on offer.

growstuff Mon 30-Dec-19 09:40:24

This a review of the available literature on homelessness and mental illness by "Crisis":

www.crisis.org.uk/media/20611/crisis_mental_ill_health_2009.pdf

A couple of quotes:

"There is some evidence to suggest that the reasons for homelessness amongst the mentally ill are similar to other groups of homeless people – at least in the USA. Nearly 3000 individuals were asked about the reasons for their most recent loss of housing. Most in both the mental illness group and others reported that this related to insufficient income, unemployment and/or lack of suitable housing (Mojabai 2005)."

" UK studies suggest that those with serious mental illness who become homeless are not ex-patients from the large institutions that closed, rather they are a younger group of service users. Their presence in the homeless population may reflect the inadequacy of community-based mental health services to provide for a sub-section of the psychiatric population with complex needs (Craig & Timms 1992; Leff 1993)."

It's suggested that about a third of those living on the streets have mental health issues (not the majority). There is no data on the "hidden homeless". Homelessness is, in some cases, a contributory factor to homelessness. Homelessness also exacerbates or triggers mental health issues.

A huge issue is the lack of resources in community psychiatric services and a lack of integration with housing provision where it's needed.

Provision for treating mental health issues shouldn't be based on ideologies, but on what produces the best outcomes.

growstuff Mon 30-Dec-19 09:41:54

Oops! Typo …

Mental health is, in some cases, a contributory factor to homelessness.

inkycog Mon 30-Dec-19 09:46:16

www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/jun/03/its-a-miracle-helsinkis-radical-solution-to-homelessness

Anniebach Mon 30-Dec-19 10:16:37

Thank you for the link inkycog,

Sounds good but secure homes first ,Drug addicts, alcoholics
housed in permanent accommodation before treatment ?

growstuff Mon 30-Dec-19 10:20:29

Anniebach Treatment or housing first is addressed in the link to the Crisis report (see above).