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Rough sleeper gives birth to twins outside wealthiest Cambridge college

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GagaJo Thu 26-Dec-19 19:35:15

Rough sleeper gives birth to twins outside wealthiest Cambridge college. Woman delivered premature babies in front of Trinity College on Monday

A homeless woman gave birth to premature twins while sleeping rough outside Cambridge University’s wealthiest college.

The woman, believed to be about 30, gave birth outside Trinity College. She was helped by members of the public, who called an ambulance, according to reports.

A witness told Cambridge News she had seen the new mother and her two children wrapped up in blankets inside ambulances when she cycled past at about 7.15am on Monday.

“They were all in the ambulances by the time I cycled past,” she said. “My workmate was first on the scene, and luckily Sainsbury’s was open early that morning and she ran in there for help.

“I’m hoping she gets given somewhere to live and the babies are ok. With what people are doing right now with Corbyn’s Christmas Challenge [a social media fundraising effort in response to Labour’s election defeat] what happened is very relevant to many people.”

Is rough sleeping getting worse?

The government claims rough sleeping in England fell for the first time in eight years in 2018, from 4,751 in 2017 to 4,677. But the body that oversees the quality of official statistics in the UK has said the number should not be trusted after 10% of councils changed their counting methods. Rough sleeping in London has hit a record high, with an 18% rise in 2018-19.

The numbers of people sleeping rough across Scotland have also risen, with 2,682 people reported as having slept rough on at least one occasion.

Shelter, whose figures include rough sleepers and people in temporary accommodation, estimate that overall around 320,000 people are homeless in Britain.

What’s being done about rough sleeping?

The government’s Homelessness Reduction Act 2017, which places new duties on state institutions to intervene earlier to prevent homelessness has been in force for more than a year, but two thirds of councils have warned they cannot afford to comply with it. In 2018, James Brokenshire, the housing secretary, announced a one-off £30m funding pot for immediate support for councils to tackle rough sleeping.

How does the law treat rough sleepers?

Rough sleeping and begging are illegal in England and Wales under the Vagrancy Act 1824, which makes ‘wandering abroad and lodging in any barn or outhouse, or in any deserted or unoccupied building, or in the open air, or under a tent, or in any cart or wagon, and not giving a good account of himself or herself’ liable to a £1,000 fine. Leading homelessness charities, police and politicians have called on the government to scrap the law.

Since 2014, councils have increasingly used public space protection orders to issue £100 fines. The number of homeless camps forcibly removed by councils across the UK has more than trebled in five years, figures show, prompting campaigners to warn that the rough sleeping crisis is out of control and has become an entrenched part of life in the country.

Is austerity a factor in homelessness?

A Labour party analysis has claimed that local government funding cuts are disproportionately hitting areas that have the highest numbers of deaths among homeless people. Nine of the 10 councils with the highest numbers of homeless deaths in England and Wales between 2013 and 2017 have had cuts of more than three times the national average of £254 for every household.

What are the health impacts of rough sleeping?

A study of more than 900 homeless patients at a specialist healthcare centre in the West Midlands found that they were 60 times more likely to visit A&E in a year than the general population in England.

Homeless people were more likely to have a range of medical conditions than the general population. While only 0.9% of the general population are on the register for severe mental health problems, the proportion was more than seven times higher for homeless people, at 6.5%.

Just over 13% of homeless men have a substance dependence, compared with 4.3% of men in the general population. For women the figures were 16.5% and 1.9% respectively. In addition, more than a fifth of homeless people have an alcohol dependence, compared with 1.4% of the general population. Hepatitis C was also more prevalent among homeless people.

Sarah Marsh, Rajeev Syal and Patrick Greenfield

East of England ambulance service told Cambridge News that paramedics went to the scene just before 7am on Monday. The woman and her children were taken to Rosie hospital, a specialist maternity hospital on the outskirts of Cambridge.

Research by the Guardian last year identified Trinity as the wealthiest of all the colleges in both Oxford and Cambridge Universities, with published assets at the time of £1.3bn.

A crowdfunding campaign set up to raise money for the woman decried Cambridge as a place of “extraordinary inequality”. Jess Agar, who started the fundraiser, wrote: “Imagine giving birth alone on the pavement, in the shadow of the richest college in Cambridge.

“Whether we are religious or not, many of us will be familiar with the Christmas story of a mother who gave birth to her child in poverty, seeking refuge in a stable. This is the reality for many people living on the streets.”

Contributors have so far donated more than £9,000.

uk.yahoo.com/news/rough-sleeper-gives-birth-twins-144402965.html

GagaJo Thu 26-Dec-19 22:38:44

Not really, Urmstongran. It's back to the 'deserving' and 'undeserving' poor, isn't it?

You, yourself, have implied that the woman concerned was less deserving because 'drugs, an illegal or mental health issues'. Victorian values coming back.

ANY pregnant woman should be able to access help. The fact that she gave birth on the street in the UK should be a point of shame to us.

JenniferEccles Thu 26-Dec-19 22:49:32

Do we now know what happened to a certain prolific poster who has been mysteriously AWOL since the election?

We are now subjected to a daily torrent of ‘wicked Tories’ drivel from someone else.

The Leftist loonies never give up do they?

GagaJo Thu 26-Dec-19 22:52:35

Intelligent point made there JE. Sharp and insightful.

lemongrove Thu 26-Dec-19 22:53:09

I know a woman ( neighbour) who gave birth in a supermarket, if waters break early you can be forced to give birth anywhere at all, including the street.
Am sure the woman concerned never thought her babies would be born three months early and was caught out, as you can easily be.
Without knowing the exact circumstances of the case, no easy assumptions can or should be made.

Opal Thu 26-Dec-19 22:53:53

Gagajo I didn't say that the safety net should be removed, in fact I said completely the opposite, that it should be there for all of us when we need it. I just also think that it should be respected, and properly used.

Anniebach Thu 26-Dec-19 22:54:01

The woman would not have been turned away from a hospital

lemongrove Thu 26-Dec-19 22:54:54

She may already be back Jennifer ......but in any case there is always another one.wink

Urmstongran Thu 26-Dec-19 22:55:52

Honestly GagaJo for a teacher (like many I know in my family) who boasts of paying a LOT .... I don’t know who you are trying to impress here. You will doubtless pay more than some yet less than others.

Unless of course you are just flagging up your saintliness.
?

Oopsminty Thu 26-Dec-19 22:57:01

No GagaJo.

We weren't working

In fact we were living in a finca with numerous relatives.

My in laws worked the land. Few cattle providing a tiny income

We woke up one morning to find the Guardia Civil at our door. Bulldozers primed to knock the building down. Prime piece of land for the tourist industry

His family were totally destitute

I know what real poverty is all about

And of course there was no benefits for us

Life was very tough

GagaJo Thu 26-Dec-19 23:02:54

I'm so sorry to hear that Oopsminty. Are the in-laws Spanish? Because as I understood it when grandson was born, the baby would be Spanish if one of the parents was. And if one of the parents and the baby were Spanish, you would be entitled to Spanish healthcare.

Was this many years ago? I know Spain was very different 50 years ago. Extreme poverty for lots of Spaniards.

My daughter used her EHIC card to start with for non-standard treatment, but then went onto Spanish healthcare. I really can't fault them. I worked in private healthcare in the UK years ago and Spanish state care was far superior.

I had a British friend while we lived there. Her husband was Spanish and got some sort of unemployment benefit (I have no idea about details).

Callistemon Thu 26-Dec-19 23:03:46

We don't know why she was on the streets in the first place.

The worrying thing is that these babies were born 11 weeks early and may possibly have been subjected to drugs or alcohol whilst in the womb.
I hope they and their mother are receiving the best possible care which our NHS offers and in fact I am sure they are and also the follow-up care they will need.

Gagajo perhaps watching the recent programme The Choir with Gareth Malone may help you to have a less jaundiced view of the NHS.

Urmstongran Thu 26-Dec-19 23:04:18

You, yourself, have implied that the woman concerned was less deserving because 'drugs, an illegal or mental health issues'

No I wasn’t saying ’less’ deserving’. GagaJo just stating facts. For example, if the woman was an illegal, she would want to keep below the radar in case of deportation.

If she had drug issues, she might be worried Social Services would monitor her parenting skills and remove her babies if they were deemed ‘at risk’.

And if she had mental health issues, either ditto to above or, like some, she resisted hostel accommodation.

I don’t know. Neither do you.

This is all speculation. But a pregnant woman in this country can walk into any NHS hospital and receive help and care. That’s a fact.

Oopsminty Thu 26-Dec-19 23:06:53

It was a few years ago.

38 to be exact!

Hopefully it's better now for people with limited means

GagaJo Thu 26-Dec-19 23:08:45

Callistemon, it isn't the healthcare professionals in the UK I lack faith in. They are outstanding. It is the lack of availability, due to lack of funding. It's frightening.

GagaJo Thu 26-Dec-19 23:10:55

Yes, Ooopsminty, it is thankfully. I have such positive experience of it.

I was having problems breathing (following flu) in the middle of the night, while living in Spain. I drove 10 minutes to our nearest hospital. Within 10 minutes, I had been seen in A&E, was put on a nebulizer, medicated and tested for whatever they thought might be wrong.

All as a foreigner in their country. It was humbling.

Callistemon Thu 26-Dec-19 23:14:31

There is only one report, identical to the first part of the OP, duplicated in three or four publications, so far, so we can only speculate as yet.

Chewbacca Thu 26-Dec-19 23:16:30

I'm not sure what the relevance of the woman giving birth outside wealthiest Cambridge college is to do with anything. Would it have been more/less acceptable if she had gone into labour outside a supermarket or a Job Centre? Or is pointing out wealthiest Cambridge college just to try to illustrate the dichotomy of her homelessness?

As other posters have said, no one, no matter where they live, or don't live, is ever turned away from an NHS hospital. Addenbrooke's hospital is very close by and has excellent neo natal and maternity services on offer to everyone.

Callistemon Thu 26-Dec-19 23:19:16

I can attest to that as my friend's DD trained there in neonatal paediatrics; she and her babies will receive the best of care.

Cold Fri 27-Dec-19 00:21:00

People often have a lot of difficulty accessing medical care when they are homeless. "no fixed abode" makes it almost impossible to register for services.

My brother died, homeless on the streets a few years ago. He was private school educated, worked as an accountant, canvassed for the Tories, but a period of mental ill health meant that he lost everything job, housing and the treatment. He was almost certainly autistic as well - but never recognised as such. His illness meant he was unable to fight the system, moving around (such as staying a few months with my parents) meant that local and healthcare service "denied responsibility" for housing or treating him. He died in a park in one of the wealthier areas of London on the night between Christmas Eve and Christmas day.

Sussexborn Fri 27-Dec-19 01:01:28

Very sad to hear how your brother died.

I worked in the NHS and homeless people were seen as temporary residents on a regular basis with no questions asked. It’s hard to know how to help people who don’t want to engage with society for whatever reasons.

My surgery still offers same day appointments for urgent cases and extended late night surgeries. If you want to see a particularly popular doctor you probably have to wait for a week or more.

bingo12 Fri 27-Dec-19 06:43:46

I read some article a while ago that about half the NHS's budget actually goes on legal cost. I presume that may mean defending it's employees who are sued for their ''mistakes'', paying large amounts in compensation as well as fighting drug companies regarding patents but I have never research this startling claim.

ladymuck Fri 27-Dec-19 07:10:33

Do bear in mind that the media always make dramatic headlines, and are quick to jump to conclusions. Without knowing the full details, we really shouldn't judge. The story of this woman may not be at all what is suggested.

Grammaretto Fri 27-Dec-19 07:18:05

So sorry about your brother cold
I was also terribly sad to read on here about that poor woman lying in labour on the cold ground in Cambridge.

It must have been very frightening.
I can see the monstrosity that some of our most priveleged in society live and work very close to where she was.
She living the Christmas nativity while a few yards away choristers were singing about it.
Quite a contrast!

Yehbutnobut Fri 27-Dec-19 08:07:06

ladymuck head in sand?

Urmstongran Fri 27-Dec-19 08:13:20

I have just phoned my GP surgery for an appointment. I have been given one for this afternoon. I can appreciate not all areas are so well served but it isn’t all dire either.