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Rough sleeper gives birth to twins outside wealthiest Cambridge college
(445 Posts)Rough sleeper gives birth to twins outside wealthiest Cambridge college. Woman delivered premature babies in front of Trinity College on Monday
A homeless woman gave birth to premature twins while sleeping rough outside Cambridge University’s wealthiest college.
The woman, believed to be about 30, gave birth outside Trinity College. She was helped by members of the public, who called an ambulance, according to reports.
A witness told Cambridge News she had seen the new mother and her two children wrapped up in blankets inside ambulances when she cycled past at about 7.15am on Monday.
“They were all in the ambulances by the time I cycled past,” she said. “My workmate was first on the scene, and luckily Sainsbury’s was open early that morning and she ran in there for help.
“I’m hoping she gets given somewhere to live and the babies are ok. With what people are doing right now with Corbyn’s Christmas Challenge [a social media fundraising effort in response to Labour’s election defeat] what happened is very relevant to many people.”
Is rough sleeping getting worse?
The government claims rough sleeping in England fell for the first time in eight years in 2018, from 4,751 in 2017 to 4,677. But the body that oversees the quality of official statistics in the UK has said the number should not be trusted after 10% of councils changed their counting methods. Rough sleeping in London has hit a record high, with an 18% rise in 2018-19.
The numbers of people sleeping rough across Scotland have also risen, with 2,682 people reported as having slept rough on at least one occasion.
Shelter, whose figures include rough sleepers and people in temporary accommodation, estimate that overall around 320,000 people are homeless in Britain.
What’s being done about rough sleeping?
The government’s Homelessness Reduction Act 2017, which places new duties on state institutions to intervene earlier to prevent homelessness has been in force for more than a year, but two thirds of councils have warned they cannot afford to comply with it. In 2018, James Brokenshire, the housing secretary, announced a one-off £30m funding pot for immediate support for councils to tackle rough sleeping.
How does the law treat rough sleepers?
Rough sleeping and begging are illegal in England and Wales under the Vagrancy Act 1824, which makes ‘wandering abroad and lodging in any barn or outhouse, or in any deserted or unoccupied building, or in the open air, or under a tent, or in any cart or wagon, and not giving a good account of himself or herself’ liable to a £1,000 fine. Leading homelessness charities, police and politicians have called on the government to scrap the law.
Since 2014, councils have increasingly used public space protection orders to issue £100 fines. The number of homeless camps forcibly removed by councils across the UK has more than trebled in five years, figures show, prompting campaigners to warn that the rough sleeping crisis is out of control and has become an entrenched part of life in the country.
Is austerity a factor in homelessness?
A Labour party analysis has claimed that local government funding cuts are disproportionately hitting areas that have the highest numbers of deaths among homeless people. Nine of the 10 councils with the highest numbers of homeless deaths in England and Wales between 2013 and 2017 have had cuts of more than three times the national average of £254 for every household.
What are the health impacts of rough sleeping?
A study of more than 900 homeless patients at a specialist healthcare centre in the West Midlands found that they were 60 times more likely to visit A&E in a year than the general population in England.
Homeless people were more likely to have a range of medical conditions than the general population. While only 0.9% of the general population are on the register for severe mental health problems, the proportion was more than seven times higher for homeless people, at 6.5%.
Just over 13% of homeless men have a substance dependence, compared with 4.3% of men in the general population. For women the figures were 16.5% and 1.9% respectively. In addition, more than a fifth of homeless people have an alcohol dependence, compared with 1.4% of the general population. Hepatitis C was also more prevalent among homeless people.
Sarah Marsh, Rajeev Syal and Patrick Greenfield
East of England ambulance service told Cambridge News that paramedics went to the scene just before 7am on Monday. The woman and her children were taken to Rosie hospital, a specialist maternity hospital on the outskirts of Cambridge.
Research by the Guardian last year identified Trinity as the wealthiest of all the colleges in both Oxford and Cambridge Universities, with published assets at the time of £1.3bn.
A crowdfunding campaign set up to raise money for the woman decried Cambridge as a place of “extraordinary inequality”. Jess Agar, who started the fundraiser, wrote: “Imagine giving birth alone on the pavement, in the shadow of the richest college in Cambridge.
“Whether we are religious or not, many of us will be familiar with the Christmas story of a mother who gave birth to her child in poverty, seeking refuge in a stable. This is the reality for many people living on the streets.”
Contributors have so far donated more than £9,000.
uk.yahoo.com/news/rough-sleeper-gives-birth-twins-144402965.html
Chewbacca is the one of the least offensive posters .
GracesGranMK3.seems to me to be more than capable of holding her own & has in fact told us many times that she cares not a jot for what others may think of her opinions & comments!
Usually not always if anyone wishes to be pedantic.
It was not rude.
In fact it said that Gracesgran always made points worth listening to but that this was not one of them.
I agree, the thread went wildly off piste.
The young woman may not have mental health problems at all.
My post was not rude growstuff. You may not agree with me, or my opinion, as is your right. But it was not rude.
Exactly. Chewbacca was moaning about someone elses comment. She can hardly expect to have no one moan at her in response, can she?
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
So does GracesGran have a right to comment, without somebody being extremely rude to her.
Chewbacca has as much right as anyone to comment on what's been said. Her post was perfectly coherent and sensible.
It's not at all pathetic. There's a huge difference between writing "anyone" and "some". It's even more pathetic to deny that something was written which (at best) caused a misunderstanding and for people to defend it.
Since when have you been given the role of judging the quality of people's posts Chewbacca? Your comment was intended to denigrate. If you wish to become a GN monitor, maybe you'd like to start on some of the posts which are nothing more than gossip and sneering.
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I was just thinking how crazy it's all become.
In 1961 my mother was sectioned ( the first time) for 28 days with what now is called Postpartum Psychosis.
Now we have my friend who lives in sheltered housing where a new resident has moved in and residents are seriously frightened of this man because of his very aggressive behaviour. Residents have complained but are told that he has schizophrenia and forgets to take his meds.
No one is on duty at night to protect these vulnerable residents.
I'm not sure who doesn't understand Bob.
I agreed with your first bit with caveats for what I don't know and, it appears neither do you and then I answered your question, in detail which I certainly didn't need to do.
If you had not tried to use these "important discussions" to battle on LGs behalf Jane10, as you did, they would have a) gone on separately and b) probably ended LGs attempts to square a circle.
The whole thread would have just gone on with both your "important discussion" and the other discussions that are going on but merely without people trying to prove that "Anyone with diagnosed mental health issues used to be housed in institutions ..." All it would have taken is for you and others, particularly LG to say that that was over the top and simply not true. That is all I have ever said. You and others have been determined to prove an untruth was correct.
But then I don't suppose a single one of you, although you cannot possibly believe "Anyone with diagnosed mental health issues used to be housed in institutions ..." has the guts to admit that was wrong. Those with a contemptible lack of courage do tend to work in groups I find.
Gracegran, signing off, can't be bothered anymore, you just don't seem to understand.
Gracesgran, we are getting somewhere. My point was people were talking about drug abuse and mental health and linking it with capacity, in these cases they would have to go through the CoP.
Just a point why would you need to get PoA if your mother has already got it, I don't rally understand this bit.
It seems from your experience they would. However, this is not always the case but maybe the case in other situations than ours - or not.
If I get a PoA it will be my PoA and my children will be my attorneys; nothing to do with my mother and her PoA. It is a good idea to get it in place before you need it.
It does not need to be registered immediately although it can be and then it is active and you can also write into it that it is only to be used when you lack capacity.
I will almost certainly activate it straight away and not put the bit about capacity in as it can make things extra difficult. My daughter is an attorney for Mum with me and both of them are attorney's for their dad so they know what they may and may not do and know they would only be involved if I asked or was incapacitated. The rights all belong to the person with the PoA and the responsibility to the attorneys.
You can't admit that your nitpicking is obscuring some important discussions.
Exactly growstuff
All it needed was for LG to come on and say "yes, it was a bit over the top but I was trying to say ..." but no, not only does she keep on arguing but when she sees there is no argument - she is wrong - the troops are rallied and they start throwing in things that have nothing to do with the point in question and then attacking me personally.
Can I just repeat; LG was wrong! I know she can't admit it but she was. I know the gang will keep having a go but she was.
Does it matter? Yes. You cannot have a constructive discussion based on something that simply isn't true.
A couple of psychiatrists I knew lived in at the hospitals, there were staff houses in the grounds.
Dear oh dear!
This is what happens when a poster or posters who dislike another poster will pick them up on anything no matter what it is and go on and on and on!
So, let’s get it straight,
In the past, if it came to the attention of experts who then diagnosed mental health problems that person was sent to an
institution/clinic/ units for possible treatment.......this continued well into 1950’s 1960’s and probably longer.The length of time they spent there varied from short spells to life in some cases.This is true, in fact my uncle worked at one throughout the 50’s, Menston near Ilkley in Yorkshire.
Google it, there must be something on there.
Other posters have also written of ones they used to know.
Children and adults were only taken to experts/doctors if their families couldn’t manage them at home, which is why so many ended up there.
Mental health issues nowadays are more varied and just more common ( because it isn’t a stigma anymore to say so)Anyone suffering say from depression,in the past, as long as they weren’t harming themselves, and were coping or appearing to cope would have stayed at home, although well off families sometimes did pay for care in one.
The institutions like Menston, had their own farm and gardens and encouraged sports like cricket and football for the male inmates.
Can a few posters calm down now, have another sherry and try and maintain the peace and goodwill of Christmas.
lemongrove not lemongrass
Nobody's denying that there were large mental health institutions, but they didn't ever house "anyone" with mental health issues, which is what lemongrass claimed.
Gracesgran, we are getting somewhere. My point was people were talking about drug abuse and mental health and linking it with capacity, in these cases they would have to go through the CoP.
Just a point why would you need to get PoA if your mother has already got it, I don't rally understand this bit.
I agree with Joelsnan , it is a fact back in the 50s / 60s many people were assigned to mental institutions , regardless of wither or not they had been properly assessed ,possibly not everyone , but it certainly appeared to be the go to solution for anyone who displayed symptoms of mental health issues .
Often, what would now be recognised as barbaric treatments would be implemented & regarded as the norm for those displaying even the mildest of these conditions .
Lemongrass was correct in her earlier post; institutions such as this were still open well within living memory.
Chewbacca I am pretty sure you know that is not what she claimed. If not you should have checked your facts before you wrote what is simply untrue.
I will not argue against an untruth. If you did it deliberately it is a lie. I have quoted what she said over and over and that is the only thing I have an argument with.
Fallacious means based on a mistaken belief Jane10. Yours was a logical fallacy which means you were mistaken in believing that all the extraneous stuff about mental institutions in previous decades proved LGs claim that "Anyone with diagnosed mental health issues used to be housed in institutions ...". It doesn't. That claim is just as wrong as it was in the first place. The history of people's careers, though interesting is simply irrelevant to the argument. (and before someone shouts at me that does not mean their careers were irrelevant).
"Anyone" with diagnosed mental health issues was not housed in mental health institutions; "some people" were. True at the beginning of all this and just as true now.
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