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Rough sleeper gives birth to twins outside wealthiest Cambridge college

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GagaJo Thu 26-Dec-19 19:35:15

Rough sleeper gives birth to twins outside wealthiest Cambridge college. Woman delivered premature babies in front of Trinity College on Monday

A homeless woman gave birth to premature twins while sleeping rough outside Cambridge University’s wealthiest college.

The woman, believed to be about 30, gave birth outside Trinity College. She was helped by members of the public, who called an ambulance, according to reports.

A witness told Cambridge News she had seen the new mother and her two children wrapped up in blankets inside ambulances when she cycled past at about 7.15am on Monday.

“They were all in the ambulances by the time I cycled past,” she said. “My workmate was first on the scene, and luckily Sainsbury’s was open early that morning and she ran in there for help.

“I’m hoping she gets given somewhere to live and the babies are ok. With what people are doing right now with Corbyn’s Christmas Challenge [a social media fundraising effort in response to Labour’s election defeat] what happened is very relevant to many people.”

Is rough sleeping getting worse?

The government claims rough sleeping in England fell for the first time in eight years in 2018, from 4,751 in 2017 to 4,677. But the body that oversees the quality of official statistics in the UK has said the number should not be trusted after 10% of councils changed their counting methods. Rough sleeping in London has hit a record high, with an 18% rise in 2018-19.

The numbers of people sleeping rough across Scotland have also risen, with 2,682 people reported as having slept rough on at least one occasion.

Shelter, whose figures include rough sleepers and people in temporary accommodation, estimate that overall around 320,000 people are homeless in Britain.

What’s being done about rough sleeping?

The government’s Homelessness Reduction Act 2017, which places new duties on state institutions to intervene earlier to prevent homelessness has been in force for more than a year, but two thirds of councils have warned they cannot afford to comply with it. In 2018, James Brokenshire, the housing secretary, announced a one-off £30m funding pot for immediate support for councils to tackle rough sleeping.

How does the law treat rough sleepers?

Rough sleeping and begging are illegal in England and Wales under the Vagrancy Act 1824, which makes ‘wandering abroad and lodging in any barn or outhouse, or in any deserted or unoccupied building, or in the open air, or under a tent, or in any cart or wagon, and not giving a good account of himself or herself’ liable to a £1,000 fine. Leading homelessness charities, police and politicians have called on the government to scrap the law.

Since 2014, councils have increasingly used public space protection orders to issue £100 fines. The number of homeless camps forcibly removed by councils across the UK has more than trebled in five years, figures show, prompting campaigners to warn that the rough sleeping crisis is out of control and has become an entrenched part of life in the country.

Is austerity a factor in homelessness?

A Labour party analysis has claimed that local government funding cuts are disproportionately hitting areas that have the highest numbers of deaths among homeless people. Nine of the 10 councils with the highest numbers of homeless deaths in England and Wales between 2013 and 2017 have had cuts of more than three times the national average of £254 for every household.

What are the health impacts of rough sleeping?

A study of more than 900 homeless patients at a specialist healthcare centre in the West Midlands found that they were 60 times more likely to visit A&E in a year than the general population in England.

Homeless people were more likely to have a range of medical conditions than the general population. While only 0.9% of the general population are on the register for severe mental health problems, the proportion was more than seven times higher for homeless people, at 6.5%.

Just over 13% of homeless men have a substance dependence, compared with 4.3% of men in the general population. For women the figures were 16.5% and 1.9% respectively. In addition, more than a fifth of homeless people have an alcohol dependence, compared with 1.4% of the general population. Hepatitis C was also more prevalent among homeless people.

Sarah Marsh, Rajeev Syal and Patrick Greenfield

East of England ambulance service told Cambridge News that paramedics went to the scene just before 7am on Monday. The woman and her children were taken to Rosie hospital, a specialist maternity hospital on the outskirts of Cambridge.

Research by the Guardian last year identified Trinity as the wealthiest of all the colleges in both Oxford and Cambridge Universities, with published assets at the time of £1.3bn.

A crowdfunding campaign set up to raise money for the woman decried Cambridge as a place of “extraordinary inequality”. Jess Agar, who started the fundraiser, wrote: “Imagine giving birth alone on the pavement, in the shadow of the richest college in Cambridge.

“Whether we are religious or not, many of us will be familiar with the Christmas story of a mother who gave birth to her child in poverty, seeking refuge in a stable. This is the reality for many people living on the streets.”

Contributors have so far donated more than £9,000.

uk.yahoo.com/news/rough-sleeper-gives-birth-twins-144402965.html

GracesGranMK3 Sat 28-Dec-19 19:24:27

Oh. I remembered it as coming from a point about Human Rights but I have to admit I didn't check back. It is obviously the Court of Protection in your case and I don't think I queried that at all. However, it does not need to go to the CoP in every case which I have a feeling was the inference of your original post on this. In fact, you have repeated that above.

It's not a problem as far as I can see but we don't want to mislead people into thinking any such incapacity would have to be signed off by a court. It obviously isn't the same in every case.

I don't have a PoA in actual fact although it is on my to-do list. It is my mother's. I find it worth remembering that. Of course, I could be held accountable and not just if she doesn't agree. I know I always need to be in a position to show what has been done with her money.

Jane10 Sat 28-Dec-19 19:24:14

I am no one's 'little friend' nor are any of my posts 'fallacies'. angry

Chewbacca Sat 28-Dec-19 19:17:47

Near to where I live, there was an institution called Parkside Mental Institution. It housed more than 900 patients at its peak; some of whom were there for most of their lives, some for short periods. For those who were long term residents, there was a farm, gardens and a workshop where they could be employed. It opened in 1871 and finally closed its doors as recently as 1997. Those who had been long term residents were transferred to accommodation in "half way housing", but for some of them, the lack of structure in their lives and greater personal freedom was more than they could cope with; they had become institutionalised. The tragedy of that was that there were a number of suicides, particularly men, over the next few years.

Lemongrass was correct in her earlier post; institutions such as this were still open well within living memory.

Barmeyoldbat Sat 28-Dec-19 19:12:36

Gracesgran, we were talking about having capacity. I simply stated who is the ultimate person/professional to decide who has or doesn't have capacity and that is the Court of Protection. Anything less is not legal and that includes your mum BUT your mum is not in a mental position to question it so there will probably be no problems. You might well have PoA, as I did, if that person has not been deemed not to have capacity then you could be held accountable for any decision you make that she doesn't agree with. An unlikely scenario in your case, but not mine.

GracesGranMK3 Sat 28-Dec-19 19:12:04

Barmeyoldbat
There is a post from Lemongrove at Sat 28-Dec-19 14:56:22 followed by a post from me replying a previous LG post at Sat 28-Dec-19 15:39:05. I'm not even sure you were posting at that point.

Enough. Report the post if you can find it and let GNHQ sort it out. I have tried to find out what your problem is but I think it is just that. Your problem.

GracesGranMK3 Sat 28-Dec-19 19:03:55

Sat 28th Dec 14.58 now an apology.

Absolutely not, unless there is something to apologise for and I will decide that. You are just being unnecessarily rude at the moment.

GracesGranMK3 Sat 28-Dec-19 19:01:32

Gracegran, I must disagree with you. May because your mum is diagnosed with demetria its different, but I can assure you in my case it was completely different.

I did wonder about that in my post Barmeyoldbat but in fact, you are talking about a legal agreement between your daughter and yourself which is rather different and nothing to do with what I seem to remember was the original point that of Human Rights.

A PoA is a legal agreement and you have to follow the law pertaining to it as you agreed to do when you signed. It's not always easy. Mum has one and my daughter and I are her attorneys but it is Mum's agreement and we know we are supposed to enable her to do what she wants where it is possible.

We have been lucky. We did go through a short difficult period but generally she thoroughly trusted us and now she rarely askes as everything is provided for her in her lovely care home. It is difficult but things like the safeguarding meetings are there for her protection and yours as is making it legal in the court.

I'm not sure what you believe we are disagreeing about.

growstuff Sat 28-Dec-19 19:00:11

Social services have a job now, trying to ensure those two babies have a reasonable start in life, which is not going to be easy. They will also need to try and sort out whatever issues resulted in the parents living on the streets. Whether the family manages to stay together or the children are put into foster care, they're all going to need support for many years to come.

It doesn't help anyone to have to work in an atmosphere of speculation and blame.

growstuff Sat 28-Dec-19 18:54:08

Callistemon I haven't a clue where the partner was. Maybe he was by her side. Who knows?

It's not even worth speculating. It will be the responsibility of social services now.

inkycog Sat 28-Dec-19 18:52:59

Try to stick to facts or direct replies instead of a ramble about things which have no connection to anything. .

Kindly do not tell me how to post or what to write.

growstuff Sat 28-Dec-19 18:52:22

You did, however, claim that what lemongrove had written was true.

GracesGranMk3
Anyone with diagnosed mental health issues used to be housed in institutions, sometimes for life, sometimes for extended periods etc.

That is simply not true

Joelsnan

It actually is true.

Barmeyoldbat Sat 28-Dec-19 18:50:43

Sat 28th Dec 14.58 now an apology.

Callistemon Sat 28-Dec-19 18:49:28

Well, the issues could have been with the accommodation.
That ex-office block where they are housing families alongside drug addicts looked horrendous.

But she has a partner and is pregnant so I would have thought off the streets and out of the winter weather for the sake of her unborn twins would have been better.

Where was he?

growstuff Sat 28-Dec-19 18:48:55

I apologise Joelsnan. It was lemongrove who wrote "Anyone with diagnosed mental health issues used to be housed in institutions, sometimes for life, sometimes for extended periods etc."
That is simply not true.

growstuff Sat 28-Dec-19 18:46:16

I'm teetotal Joelsnan.

growstuff Sat 28-Dec-19 18:45:35

Callistemon I'm not going to assume anything. I know when I was homeless and asked the council for help, I was a single parent, so the council had a statutory duty to house me. There is no way in a million years I would ever have gone to live where I was offered (a single room with shared facilities miles from my son's school and in a building reknowned for drug dealing). In the end, my son had to go and live with his father and a friend took pity on me for a few weeks. I haven't a clue what I would have done, if my former husband had refused to take my son (or hadn't had the space himself) or I hadn't had a friend who could help me.

GracesGranMK3 Sat 28-Dec-19 18:44:03

Barmeyoldbat It could be me but there doesn't seem to be a post at that time.

Joelsnan Sat 28-Dec-19 18:43:46

Growstuff
No, Joelsnan is not correct. She claimed that anyone with a mental health issue was housed in an institution. It is simply not true that there were mental health places for everybody with mental health issues.

FFS that is not true either, read all my post on this thread and you will find I have not said anything about the above.
Have you and GGMk3 been on the Sherry?

GracesGranMK3 Sat 28-Dec-19 18:42:54

The same happens with my Kindle. You see the change flash in front of your eyes.

Chestnut Sat 28-Dec-19 18:42:36

There are so many spats going on here, people must be enjoying themselves
grin grin grin grin
And there must be lots of grans reading them in disbelief!
It must be the lack of sunshine and usual activities!

Callistemon Sat 28-Dec-19 18:40:28

I don't mind being called a pedant, however, it's not very likely with this auto correct which changes things as soon as I press 'post'

Callistemon Sat 28-Dec-19 18:39:14

Bubb not Bub

Callistemon Sat 28-Dec-19 18:38:29

growstuff no, we don't know, we can only assume that, being pregnant and refusing accommodation, she did have some issues.

Institutionalisation is not always the answer either as can be borne out by some more recent events which resulted in the Bub report called '******* - Time for Change.'

GracesGranMK3 Sat 28-Dec-19 18:38:19

There's worse things than being called a pedant.

True but it is still unpleasant and, I believe, uncalled for. Just a bit more pedantry (actually my software not me) but it should be "there are" not "there is".

At least you are not suggesting we sent all the people with a diagnosis of mental ill-health to an institution or did you join in that one too?

Barmeyoldbat Sat 28-Dec-19 18:35:37

Gracesgran Sat 28th 14.28, apology please.