Danger man Trump strikes again

I think some of you would be horrified if you knew how many times our secret ops nuclear subs went on red alert in the 1980s.

The murder of Suleimani is like as if a secret agent from a foreign country had assassinated Trump.
The assassination of Suleimani is like what the Russians did with that poison in Salisbury, except more people will die as a result of what Trump did.

Well it's up to the Iranians now how they respond.

I wish Twitter had never been invented. People like Trump misuse it terribly.

I so agree Maddyone

Apparently Trump and Suleimani used to have ding-dongs with each other on Twitter. Madness!

They now have a high-profile martyr to rally around. A false move from Turdman Plod. Silly man.

Agreed GG13, obviously BJ will be kept fully informed of events as they evolve, and will be briefed of all developments. I saw that he is returning today. I’m not sure what difference it would have made if he had returned yesterday or on Friday. This is Trump’s ‘war’ and we all seem to be in agreement that we don’t want any part in it, although I believe two of our warships have been dispatched to the area. The reason given is ‘to protect our troops.’
Apparently Trump is writing threatening tweets. I wish Twitter had never been invented. People like Trump misuse it terribly.

I'm genuinely shocked that Trump is threatening Iran's cultural sites.

It was sickening to see the likes of the Taliban blowing up the Buddhas of Bamiyan, and ISIS bulldozing Palmyra, sites that had stood for millennia.

Isfahan & Persepolis are world heritage sites - I can't believe that the US would even hint at destroying them!

Anybody who thinks our PM is not in contact with his Ministers and top Civil Servants whilst on holiday knows very little about UK politics.

(It’s been reported that he is returning today)

Dominic Raab urges a diplomatic route

Trump is out for only one person. Himself.

Like Boris, who is too busy sunning himself and shagging his current girlfriend in Mustique to even make a comment let alone cut short his holiday.

SueDonim, I don't see how the state sponsored murder of the Iranian military leader be anything other than an act of war, or act of state sponsored terrorism.

Chewbacca, well said ( 23.35 04.01.20)

Bill Clinton did it when impeached and this is déjà vu Wag the Dog. It seems that there is nothing new under the sun. I truly wish politicians would overcome this desire for a "good war" to ensure re-election – or at least define what is good about any war.

Trump is not only a warmonger but a total idiot too if someone doesn’t put the dangerous twittering idiot behind bars soon we ve had it

I hope I’m right, too, Growstuff. The BBC doesn’t see it as a declaration of war, although there’s always the law of unintended consequences to be concerned about.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-50982298

I hope you're right SueDonim not it's not what people such as politicians, diplomats and commentators in the US and around the world are saying.

Frankly, I don't have much faith in anything Trump says.

1953 Iranian coup d'état

He has indeed, to protect his forces there, but he’s said time and again he wants America feet off foreign soil. I have no time for the man but I don’t think he wants war.

It would be very difficult to withdraw ours just now.

He's already sent an extra 3,000 US troops to the ME.

Whatever his faults, and heaven knows there are many, I don’t believe Trump is a warmonger. One thing he has been consistent about over the years of his presidency is America not being the world’s policeman and expending vast amounts of money & manpower on overseas missions. Remember that he’s even pondered leaving NATO because he doesn’t feel it serves America’s interests well and that his country is being exploited by their allies.

Whether that is right or wrong and whether this latest action, which I assume is meant to contain Iran, works remains to be seen. He doesn’t want to put any more American boots on the ground anywhere round the world if he can help it and he wants to withdraw totally from the ME. and certainly not put forces into Iran so I think and hope it unlikely we will go to war over this.

Well said Chewbacca

Living in a democracy, people are free to express their views, of course as trisher does.

Our Armed Forces are ones to be proud of.

I do realise that in some countries the military are not a benign defence force on the side of their own people so we should be thankful.

I'm sorry for the armed forces but I don't see why I should be proud of them

Words fail me trisher. Your post is one of the most depressingly ill informed, ignorant posts I've ever seen on GN. Apart from peacekeeping and providing humanitarian aid both domestic and overseas, they are involved with fighting international drug cartels, help to put out fires on moorlands and other emergencies, assist with bomb disposal and terrorist attacks. They provide you, all of us, with security and peace. They're not just an armed combat fighting force. And you're not proud of that? Then shame on you.

Right again Callistemon, Blair wanted to be Bush’s best friend.
I think we crossed posts on our last posts.

Trump is doing what many leaders do when their careers are at risk - they start a war, and, sadly, many people fall for this dangerous ploy because it is dressed up as patriotism.

Apart from the impeachment issue, Trump has lost a great deal of support from people in rural communities who form a significant part of his support group.

From the website Politico, June 2019, and widely reported elsewhere:

"President Donald Trump’s trade war is magnifying some of the toughest farm conditions since the crisis that bankrupted thousands of farmers in the 1980s — and threatening a constituency crucial to his re-election hopes.
The president’s trade policies have sent U.S. agricultural exports plunging, exacerbating already difficult economic conditions facing farmers. Average farm income has fallen to near 15-year lows under Trump, and in some areas of the country, farm bankruptcies are soaring.

The fate of the farm economy and rural America is fused to Trump’s political future. Farmers and ranchers make up the heart of his base, and their support in battleground Midwestern states like Iowa and Wisconsin could help determine the 2020 presidential election. Although Trump’s standing with those groups generally remains strong, cracks are starting to show."

So, time to create a (very dangerous) distraction - from the man who claims to "Put America First".

Callistemon, you’re right of course, only a British Prime Minister can commit our armed forces to fight in a war, but after Blair joined forces with Bush, and agreed to provide British support in Iraq and then Afghanistan, it isn’t surprising that many British people think that the American President is the one who decides when and where wars will be fought, and it seems that the American President usually wants British support in these ventures. Most British people don’t want to become involved in America’s wars.

Blair was so anxious to be Bush's best friend and the consequences have been horrendous.
Cameron wanted to send troops into Syria but did not get the backing of MPs.

Peace in the Middle East is a forlorn hope and has been thus for centuries - I do not understand why our politicians want us to get involved.

Moving away from our dependence on oil will be a good thing in more ways than one.