Danger man Trump strikes again

It's not a question of not supporting the troops themselves. I don't think anybody doubts they'll do as they're told and will do the very best they can. It's the lunatics who put them in the situation in the first place who should stand before them in battle.

Do feel free to post patriotic bullshit WN

Some of these posts remind me of something I once heard

If you are not prepared to stand behind our troops - feel free to stand in front of them

And given what we are seeing in Australia, especially how firestorms behave, it is worth considering that a 'limited nuclear war' might not only cause a nuclear winter, killing millions and devastating the environment but just possibly the scenario in Australia would occur here and in the rest of Europe.

Again, something serious to read:
www.wired.com/story/even-a-small-nuclear-war-could-trigger-a-global-apocalypse/

There is too much complacency by far. This is not hysteria. But then it has been proven that people no longer wish to listen to experts!

Do people realise that the military now talk about 'limited nuclear war'? This is worth reading:

www.vox.com/future-perfect/2018/10/19/17873822/nuclear-war-weapons-bombs-how-kill

Early large nuclear bombs relied on the concept of total mutual destruction. The proliferation of those smaller 'useable' bombs- eg targetted at specific areas with damage geographically limited (providing all goes well and the wind isn't blowing too hard, and none falls into water, and etc, etc, etc.) - means that mad men out there, like Trump, and like Putin, like some in the Middle East - will think- ah, just a few little ones, that will 'teach them' ...

And we all know what the next stage could be... it only needs one other mad man- and there are plenty around. Call it hysterical, sigh - your prerogative.

My post was not about nuclear disarmament- but about the dangers about nuclear proliferation- into the hands of many unstable leaders- Trump being just one of them. So far, it has 'worked' ... and then ? Sigh if you wish - some of us are really concerned for our families and grandchildren- and those of others all around the world.

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Tomahawk missiles. The very reason why Iran won't do anything. The same reason Russia backed off in the 80s because they knew what we had onboard.

I can't be bothered to enter into a discussion with you about nuclear disarmament at the moment jura. At this point in time, it's neither relevant nor appropriate.

Chewbacca ''Nuclear Disarmament jura? <sigh>''

sigh, if you wish, CND is very well informed - and yes, they tried and failed in their original aim- to stop nuclear arms prolification to all and sundry - especially in unstable regions. And they are proving to be right- prolifieration is now putting us in massive danger- as clearly illustrated currently. Would you deny this?

The Royal Navy is a constant presence in the Middle East. Anywhere south of the Suez canal is a trouble spot and ships are manoeuvred to wherever they are needed. The two ships there at the moment have been out there for months.

Just to say, not only the army is in that area the Royal Navy is out there too.

growstuff I have PM’d you so as not to derail the thread further.

My understanding is that they have received practical help when they demobbed

But, as the report from Forces in Mind states, as above, the advice they recieve regarding what help is available to them is inconsistent across the forces. They are not always fully informed of what is on offer to them for financial or mental health support once they return to civilian life. In addition, if they are single, or have no structured family to return to, Local Authority accommodation is in very short supply as it is for everyone. Easy to see why they fall between the cracks.

Sorry this is a distraction from the OP (maybe I should start a new thread), but it's something which bothers me. I've worked with homeless people and have spoken to a number of ex-service personnel. My understanding is that they have received practical help when they demobbed. They had accommodation and enough money initially. However, it seems that the psychological support is lacking. That's why I was curious about the claim that support is offered. Maybe welfare support should last longer and be more wide-ranging than it currently is.

Some of the homeless veterans I've spoken to, have served short prison sentences too. Once they have that on their CV, it becomes incredibly difficult for them to find a job and somewhere to live. Many of the crimes are violence-related or they've become involved in dealing or petty theft.

If you're saying that they would have been in the same position regardless of the forces, I think that's quite insulting to them because you're implying that the forces enlist people who don't conform to society very well.

Nuclear Disarmament jura? <sigh>

growstuff yes I do agree that they are over represented in some areas, but maybe these poor souls would have ended up in the same position regardless of being in the forces.

Forces in Mind Trust funded research, conducted by York University, found that of participating veterans, many experienced inconsistent quality of advice on transitioning from Service and inadequate support from Local Housing Authorities in the years after leaving service, many of whom did not identify the specialist support available to veterans.

There is a housing crisis in the UK with increased levels of homelessness and simply not enough houses to go round.

Veterans experience this in the same way any other group does and we need to build more houses for veterans, too.

Recent research from the Directory of Social Change has identified just over 4,500 units of accommodation nationwide that are ring-fenced specifically for veterans.

August 2018

growstuff when service personnel are getting towards the end of their “time” they have the opportunity to go on courses to adapt their skill sets to civilian life, they have help to find accommodation if needed, they have access to job opportunities etc.

That is unless they are dishonourable discharged and in these circumstances I am unsure to what is available.

Thanks for the reply GrannyGravy. Yes, it does happen in all walks of life, but I've worked with homeless charities and former service personnel are over-represented. They're overrepresented in prisons too. I was seriously wondering what further support they need because it does seem obvious that it's not working in some cases.

Chewbacca, adapted from an article by Scottish CND.

growstuff I can only repeat what I have learned from Army Welfare Officer’s and officially recognised forces charities.

There are some who fall through the safety net but that happens in all walks and of life.

I am sure that I have read that some ex-service personnel miss the bonds of forces community and find similar bonds on the streets,

What kind of help is it?

It's certainly true that people get into a downward spiral and it becomes increasingly difficult to get out of it, but why are service personnel more affected, if there is help available?

Thanks for the response Callistemon. I don't know the reason either and I was wondering if anybody had any insight. It is a fact that former service personnel are over-represented on the streets and in prisons. I don't for one minute think it's because they are somehow "bad" people, so I had assumed it's because there isn't adequate support to help them adjust to life outside the forces, so I'm curious about the claim that there is support, but it's not taken up.