Well done Lawrence Fox!

Why's it racist GrannyGravy13? I know what the street slang term means, but I wasn't aware it was restricted to people of any particular ethnic group.

I side with Lawrence- it is Meghan's behaviour and attitude which has annoyed the public and media, nothing to do with her race. My proof of this statement is that I have neither seen or heard anything derogatory about her mother, who has considerably darker skin than her daughter and who has behaved with decorum throughout this whole debacle!

Saying white people cannot understand racial discrimination is ridiculous. Are the Irish, Polish, a lot of Jews etc. not white? I'm sure they will say they have been discriminated against at some point in their lives. At the moment the most discriminated against people seem to be white young heterosexual, rich and posh males because of positive discrimination in favour of women, those of ethnic origin, those of 'other 'sexualities and the 'have nots'!

Eglantine Being registered with a local council as deaf is not the same as being "registered disabled".

Buttonjugs calling LF a "young gammon* is racist.

And he can’t even sing in tune. He really is a joke, isn’t he?

And then:

Chestnut your post just beautifully illustrates your complete inability to hold a reasoned, rational, informed discussion on ableism.

Ironic!

You don’t know as much as you think you do.

Those who are deaf can, if they wish, register with their local authority, and can access help and certain benefits.

Check it out on the NHS website.

Oh no I forgot, you don’t think hearing problems are a disability.......

jan years ago when I was more involved in disability rights issues, I did find that with some people, there was almost a ‘hierarchy’ of disability. My initial thoughts are that there are much greater challenges in facilitating the views and opinions of learning disabled people being fed into the whole disability rights debate. It must be easier for their ‘voices’ to be squeezed out in any discussions.

You’re disabled under the Equality Act 2010 if you have a physical or mental impairment that has a ‘substantial’ and ‘long-term’ negative effect on your ability to do normal daily activities.

In what way does not being able to sing in tune impact on normal daily activities. And btw these days there is no such thing as bring registered disabled. The register disappeared ages ago.. AFAIK the only people who register are people who are blind or partially sighted.

Interesting discussion last night on Newnight about the future rôle of the BBC - and its rôle during the Brexit campaign, and QT and what happend last week with LF, were mentionned.

It is clear that this debâcle has damaged QT - and the BBC. However, the main damage was done by this recent obsession with 'balance' - eg that anyone opposing experts in their field, should be given equal time and weight- irrespective of their qualifications, experience or knowledge.

10 minutes from an expert with years of experience = 10 minutes of any idiot contering expert advice with spouting any old rubbish.

suziewoozie but it was people with physical disabilities who didn't want those with learning and intellectual disability to be part of the paralympics. I even heard someone many years ago being interviewed on the radio saying, but they're not the same as us!! If those who suffer discrimination because of a disability cannot begin to accept and make allowances for others with a different type of disability, then isn't it somewhat optimistic to expect the able-bodied to be any different?

@Anniemac Privilege is being born into money, not making your own like Oprah! LF is very privileged very well off and has no idea about real life. His music is worse than many other actually talented singers but he gets a platform because his family are well known in the industry. I quite liked him as an actor but in real life he comes across as a young gammon.

And how do you know I am able bodied. I have a registered disability.

Your anger and bitterness is so sad.

It is a disability, Just one that you think doesn’t count.

You are ableist. Of the worst kind because you dismiss those with disabilities that you don’t care about,

Not being able to sing in tune is not having a hearing disability in any meaningful sense of the words. FFS

Please tell me how not being able to sing in tune affects your everyday life. FFS. If you think it does, then you have no idea about what disability means. I think I have to say that your able bodied privilege is showing

If I said someone who wasn’t able to distinguish colour was a joke, you’d be up in arms. But having a hearing disability makes it ok to poke fun?

I followed your link jan and I did actually already know about the issue. With disability discrimination, there are of course the overarching issues that are about attitudes, culture, societal obligations etc etc and then the specific issues relevant to specific types of disability. I feel I can only comment on the overarching issues and on my specific issues which are mobility related. What I do believe though is that if we were a less ableist society in general, we’d develop a greater awareness and understanding of the whole range of disabilities.

It’s shocking that on GN a poster thinks it’s fine to trivialise the issue by stating that singing out of tune is a disability. We’ve a long way to go.

I totally disagree. Not being able to sing in tune is a disability that affects people in their everyday life. It is often part of being tone deaf which is also very disabling.

Just because it is a disability that you do not understand doesn’t mean you should make fun of people who suffer from it.

Or is only your disability that counts.

If white people are always seen as oppressors does that mean that black people will always view themselves as oppressed. If so how will we ever move forward. Sorry if I I am being overly simplistic. Growing up I had many West Indian friends and that’s what we were friends.

suziewoozie I was just reading about the criticism about a Sikh soldier in 1917. What on earth is he going on about? There were loads of Sikh soldiers in the Indian Army in both world wars - and very brave they were too.

I can't help wondering if Fox has some kind of agenda or a problem of some sort. He seems to have been on Twitter most of the time since he was on QT writing stuff even more outrageous than Trump does.

Eglantine your post is making fun of the serious issue of ableism. Shame on you. You damn well know that not being able to sing in tune is.not a disability. . I can’t sing in tune but unlike LF I’m not attempting to make a career out ot singing/songwriting.

Perhaps because my disabled grandson fits firmly in the disregarded section I am more aware.

So telling, that a link that shows disabled discrimination against some differently disabled elicits not a single response. Oh well.......

No she isn't Chestnut I should introduce you to some of my disability rights activist friends, compared with them suzie is perfectly polite. They'd wipe the floor with anyone who said the things that have been said on here and then run their wheelchairs over them. They believe in direct action and don't stand for the sort of condescending clap trap that has been posted on this thread.
suziewoozie thanks for the info about LF. He is an arse. I used to fancy his dad like mad, but he had issues and got religion for a bit I believe. Maybe LF just needs help.

Why is not being able to sing in tune a joke? It is very humiliating and disabling when you can’t join in and have to either stand silently. Or you do attempt to sing and people like Suziewoozie laugh at you.

Very ableist.