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Well done Lawrence Fox!

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Ngaio1 Fri 17-Jan-20 17:10:05

What a truth! Racist remarks are racist what ever your colour!

jura2 Sat 18-Jan-20 19:24:34

''A mixed-race university lecturer accused of being racist by the white actor Laurence Fox has been bombarded with hate messages via social media, she has told the Observer.

Rachel Boyle, a researcher on race and ethnicity at Edge Hill University in Lancashire, clashed with Fox during a television discussion about press coverage of the Duchess of Sussex.

Since the row, Boyle said she had received a barrage of online abuse, mainly from people who appear to be of the Alt Right, via Twitter and email.''

Just a question- did the reaction to Obama by Republicans have anything to do with racism, or not, in your view?

Opal Sat 18-Jan-20 19:05:43

Oh jeez, Lily Allen, if ever there was a prime example of someone who should stick to her "entertaining" (and I use the word loosely), it's her.

TerriBull Sat 18-Jan-20 18:52:14

" I'm sick to death of luvies like you spouting off, you know nothing about life in your privileged, gated community, stick to acting" or words to that effect.........and that priceless gem is aimed at Laurence Fox......tweets the amazing Lily Allen, not that she's one to every proffer an opinion shock

Anyway off she goes to warble away on her latest offering "Pot and Kettle"

Gaunt47 Sat 18-Jan-20 18:39:58

Opal @17.10 thank you, a good post.

GrannyGravy13 Sat 18-Jan-20 18:20:15

Thanks for the info MerylStreep

MerylStreep Sat 18-Jan-20 18:18:38

Can I just say here to all of us who support the work that Maggie Oliver has done to support the victims of sex grooming, and continues to do. She has set up a crowdfunding site to set up a base where these girls still being abused can go for advice.

Washerwoman Sat 18-Jan-20 17:49:42

Apparently Sir Bryan himself was educated at Dulwich on a scholarship and hearing that now white boys in underprivileged areas were the cohort underperforming by a huge amount was keen to help out.But it seems he's not able to specify -and maybe that's as it should be.And in one instance it's schools and the other university, but both offering opprtunity to students who wouldn't otherwise get it.I just did a double take when it seemed it was ok for Stormzy to specify,but not Sir Bryan.

TerriBull Sat 18-Jan-20 17:40:59

Stormzy, whilst undoubtedly a philanthropist, is also guilty of sexism too, his lyrics often refer to women as "tings" are we as women happy to be reduced to the status of an inanimate objects ? sad or is that okay in the interests of the advancement of "grime" ?

jura2 Sat 18-Jan-20 17:38:25

Yes, I actually do get it - and do get that it is totally different- if you look at the history of racism in the UK and around the world.

But I'd also agree that bequests should be for any sex or ehtnicity or colour- but about under-privilege.

We all know that in the UK racism against white groups has also existed for a very long time. Many here will remember the 'No blacks, no Irish, no gipsies' of not so long ago.

GrannyGravy13 Sat 18-Jan-20 17:32:15

jura2 I am sorry but you just do not get it do you?

Stormzy a black rapper can fund "underprivileged black boys" to go to Cambridge but Sir Thwaites is denied being able to fund "underprivileged white boys".

The above is a form of racism, both should be allowed to fund boys or girls without demanding they be of a certain colour.

Stormzy is guilty of racism against underprivileged white boys.

evianers Sat 18-Jan-20 17:30:50

We have lovely Jewish friends. Their lives are subjected to intolerance [at best], abuse [verbal and physical]. When we say how sorry we are for them, unfortunately they have to respond with "we're used to it". Their daughter is a Rabbi and cannot let down her guard for one minute.

ladymuck Sat 18-Jan-20 17:23:16

At last we are being given an opportunity to state the facts instead of being forced to live in denial.
Although I wonder how long these posts will last before they are removed for being inflammatory?

jura2 Sat 18-Jan-20 17:21:41

Why should Sir Thwaites bequest money to help 'boys' only, and 'white ones' in particular. Why could he not bequest money to help underprivileged children?

You say it yourself, why do we even have to differentiate...why not any? But the fact remains, that black students in the past rarely got access to Cambridge or Oxford. That is the reality, not the 'perception'.

TerriBull Sat 18-Jan-20 17:19:24

"Have you ever experienced racism"

There seems to be an assumption that being born white, is not only synonymous with "privilege" but somehow it's a foregone conclusion that white people can never be on the receiving end of racism.

Now that South Yorkshire Police have finally stated, what has been common knowledge for years, that they have ignored the abuse of children and were happy to sacrifice those victims on the altar of political correctness.

The Times reports today, The Chief Inspector is said to have described the abuse as "P* shagging and to have said that it has been going on for 30 years and with it being Asians, we can't afford for this to be coming out"

White Privilege!

GrannyGravy13 Sat 18-Jan-20 17:19:04

I would really like to know when it became a crime to be "a white privileged man/woman"?

Washerwoman Sat 18-Jan-20 17:13:24

It is a very nuanced subject to say the least.But where are we heading when both Dulwich college and Whinchester school feel they have to reject a 1.2 million bequest from Sir Brian Thwaites that was to be for underprivileged white boys because of diversity and equality issues. And yet Stormzy can set up scholarships for black students only for Cambridge.Why do we even have to differentiate -why not any underprivileged student with potential ?
Forgive me if I'm way out of date but isn't this the kind of thing Sir Trevor Phillips said was making society more divisive.Or has he been discredited now?Genuine question because I actually thought he was bang in a few years ago and the Martin Luther quote on LFs twitter account surely backs it up.
I'm ducking my head now because no doubt someone will come along to say how stupid I am.

Opal Sat 18-Jan-20 17:10:45

Absolutely GG13, racism is a two way street. Some posters on here just refuse to admit it, and in so doing, they actually do a dis-service to their own argument. By claiming that a non-white person is targeted because of racism, when they are actually being targeted for a completely different reason, is undermining the fight against racism, because the general public just get sick of the race card constantly being used when it is not warranted. E.g. Meghan - the majority of the British public warmly embraced her when she married Harry, and it is because of her actions in recent weeks that she is being criticized now, NOT because of her colour. By claiming that it is because of her colour and yet again playing the race card, those of you who think that you are claiming the "moral high ground" are actually undermining your more general argument against racism. You've ended up crying "wolf" too many times, and claiming some things are racist when they blatantly are not, and have completely switched off those of us who are entirely sick of being told we are racists, when we know we actually aren't. You've scored an own goal, but will never admit it because of you're dogma.

oldgimmer1 Sat 18-Jan-20 17:05:38

How can the failure of the authorities to act in Rotherham be explained other than fear of being branded racist? hmm

ladymuck Sat 18-Jan-20 16:58:42

I wonder which part of the country you all live in? Come up north to Lancashire and you will experience abuse and insults. However, because it is aimed at white people, it is not regarded as racist so we have to put up with it.
We are a very tolerant nation and have given refuge to those who needed it. Yet many have nothing but contempt for us.

love0c Sat 18-Jan-20 16:51:18

Well said Lawrence Fox!

GrannyGravy13 Sat 18-Jan-20 16:46:08

I certainly haven't reacted quickly, I have read all of the posts.

Why do some people not like to admit that racism is a two way street?

jura2 Sat 18-Jan-20 16:39:38

No taboo on my part- it is a question of proportionality.

Fox immediately denied racism was at all part of Megan's situation and experience - which is nonsense. The question is then 'why did he react so fast and so strongly'? - and why do some of you do the same here?

GrannyGravy13 Sat 18-Jan-20 16:35:23

It is relevant because the only racism portrayed / spoken about is white on black/people of colour.

There seems to be a taboo in speaking about /portraying black/people of colour being racist towards white people or racist towards the British Culture/ways.

In my opinion stating that someone is "a white privileged male" is bordering on racism when used as a slur/attack by someone who is black/person of colour.

jura2 Sat 18-Jan-20 16:30:30

How was it relevant?

Anniebach Sat 18-Jan-20 16:29:24

Lawrence Fox didn’t say there was no racism, he seemed to think the abuse in Rotherham was important enough to bring
into it.