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This has been discussed at length before on here. You must have missed it. 'Choice' is a privilege of the well off. US chicken will be cheap. Who has to buy cheap food?

I don't think that will bother those who see the very poor as underserving Maizie. However, their own choices may change and that will certainly bother them. If the country is flooded with cheap chicken some of our chicken farmers, who do stick to the current husbandry rules, will go out of business. The government will then have to decide whether to slacken our rules to the same as the USA rules so that our farmers can compete or our farmers chicken will become a very expensive niche market. Whatever happens, it will affect us all. Deep pockets may help but I bet they will be the first to grumble. After all, in their minds, life is for the 'deserving' well off.

I am quite sure we will have the currently right-wing nativists telling us that if we don't look after everyone we look after no one, at some point and we will be encouraged to Buy British, even if we can't afford it.

Treaties are not forever, even if Cameron had done what Maisie says.

2 thoughts.
1) Your paranoia level is unhealthy, Cunco
2) 4 years ago, full of national pride, I would have said, 'For goodness sake, we're British, we don't 'do' treaty breaking.'

I don't have national pride any more. No pride in a country that treats foreigners with contempt, that approves of lying and cheating and that elects one of the most worthless people it could find as its Prime Minister.

And it comes to something when Gideon looks like one of the most sensible voices in the room ?

Summary here www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/feb/08/huge-levels-of-antibiotic-use-in-us-farming-revealed

The trouble with the chicken opal is that American chicken is grown with far more antibiotics etc - because of the poor hygiene standards - hence the chlorine as & food poisoning as well. And the trouble with chucking antibiotics routinely into farm animals is it increases antib resistance. That really does affect all of us, even those who choose not to eat poor quality chicken raised in awful conditions .

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cake and eat it won't happen, for sure.

I can only comment on my own experiences when in the USA, which is entirely positive. I'll make up my mind on whether I wish to eat chlorinated chicken when and if it becomes available in the UK and based on guidelines and information available at the time. Anything else IS just scaremongering.

You can have a mild form of food poisoning and recover without treatment. There is therefore no way of knowing exactly how many people are affected. Cases that don't present at surgeries/hospitals just don't feature in the statistics. Presumably those of you who believe it is just Brexit scaremongering would be perfectly happy to eat it and feed it to your family, including children.

We have absolutely no idea how many of the 1,000s of Brits who visit the US each year have a nice little bout of food poisoning included as part of their holiday package. Nobody keeps any data on it.

We do know what the US statistics say and they're not pretty. Why import that risk? One of the bacteria which evades chlorine washing is camphylobacter. It's very, very nasty, much worse than salmonella.

if USA chicken is sold in our supermarkets we aren’t compelled to buy it!

This has been discussed at length before on here. You must have missed it. 'Choice' is a privilege of the well off. US chicken will be cheap. Who has to buy cheap food?

And what are the guarantees that its origin will be clearly marked on the label? Particularly if it's in processed foods; pies, ready meals etc?

Exactly Ug, if shoppers don't want it, then they won't buy it.

I've been to the USA multiple times with family and friends over the last 30 years, eaten chicken, and not one of us has ever had food poisoning. Can say the same for my wider circle too. Surely, if the statistics were 1:6 people, then at least one of us would have had it? Yet more anti-Brexit scaremongering, methinks?

And actually when I think about it further, if USA chicken is sold in our supermarkets we aren’t compelled to buy it!

I still don’t think 1:6 people returning from Florida or NYC come home clutching their guts with tales of spoiled vacations.

Well, you read that one, didn't you, Oops?

Did you take note of the food poisoning statistics?

Tourists are more than welcome to risk food poisoning, Ug, if they so wish. I don't see why we should deliberately import the high risk.

I didn't read your post Maizie

Wasn't interested really

Cunco - Denmark has kept its own currency, it's a strong country and is not planning to join the Euro, and is not being pressurised to join AFAIK.

My cousin, before he retired, was at the top of a UK car manfacturing company and he lobbied hard for Remain, because the car manufacturing business runs on Just In Time (JIT) principles: a lot of parts for the cars come from other countries, many of them in the EU, and because they are ordered to arrive at the assembly plant within a very short time before they are needed, the car company saves a lot of money; for example not having to pay for storage. If the lorries carrying the parts are held up in Customs, this can really mess up production - widget #1 isn't available on time so you can't install widget #2 which depends on #1 being installed first, and so on. The lorry carrying widget #1 might be held in a queue behind a lorry of fish which hasn’t got its correct paperwork. Workers have to wait for the parts to arrive and are, presumably, being paid while they are waiting. I believe that we also send smaller car parts to specialist assemblers in other EU countries, who then send them back to the UK to go into the car. So there could be delays in both directions. It's my understanding that the modern British car industry is more or less based on JIT. (And by the way, in relation to fishing which we get very excited abotu, it turns out that the fish that we catch in ‘our’ waters is not the fish that we want to eat - it goes straight to the EU; while the cod and haddock we want to eat comes from outside out waters!)
And then, on top of all this, there's the separate issue of tariffs on all these parts going in both directions between the UK and the EU. Pity the poor Irish: apparently the ingredients for Baileys cross the Irish border about eight times before a bottle of Baileys is made. Tony Connelly of RTE TV in Ireland has written an excellent and very readable book about this and the other very real effects of Brexit on the Irish on both sides of the border in his book "Brexit and Ireland" - you can get it at Amazon.

Tourists tuck into USA chicken quite happily when on their holidays in Florida.
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So the chlorine itself isn't actually seen as a problem.

Which is precisely what I said in my post, prior to yours, Oops.
But chlorine washing does not completely destroy the toxic bacteria.

Interesting that you ignore the comparison of US food poisoning incidence per capita with the UK incidence. 1 in 6, US as opposed to 1 in 60 UK.

We were given assurances about sovereignty in 1975 which were discarded as Parliament progressively committed us to the EU. Assurances about our joining the euro could equally have been discarded. Treaties are not forever, even if Cameron had done what Maisie says.

If one believes in the EU Project, it makes sense that the UK would ultimately be fully engaged, including part of the monetary union. If economic and political policies are being determined and operated centrally, you need to be at its core to have the influence the likes of Heseltine, Major and Blair see as imperative. Otherwise, the UK would always have been semi-detached.

I personally would not say that I know why everyone voted either way. I know they voted for very different reasons, some better than others; but I do know why I voted. It took some hard thought. Not rocking the boat would have been an easier option but it would have denied my opinion, formed in 1975 and tested over 40 years.

No Maizie I didn't agree, I was highlighting the word allowed. Now, are you going to comment about a Remainer being ignorant of the facts?

It's good to hear there will be a market for chlorinated chicken Oopsminty. Personally, I'll be giving it a miss. As I virtually never eat food in a restaurant or from takeaways, it won't be difficult for me to avoid.

I don't know who constantly says all Leavers knew exactly what they were voting for.

Oh just look at loads of threads on here, Cunco. Leavers said it all the time.

You agreed with her, Opal.

Oh FFS MaizieD, I copied and pasted Jura2's post, to highlight the word allowed, so don't tell me what I do and don't know.

Speaks volumes that you don't respond to my point that a Remain voter seems to be ignorant of the facts, though. No surprise there.